Okay, I've been thinking about this "run it until it explodes experiment" a great deal.
Many of you had some interesting comments.
There were some folks who suggested that I use the cheapest SL grade dino juice and filter combo possible (something I find VERY interesting), and there were others who pointed out the ethical problems inherent with such a test being run in an emergency vehicle (who can argue their point?), and there were others who would like me to do something similar to what Paradise Garage is doing (I do not have any desire to steal their mojo!).
I have some slightly different ideas which might be of interest to the folks on this board. Here are my thoughts:
PLAN #1
2000 Crown Vic Police Interceptor, 123k - used for police patrol duties
The markings have been photochopped off for privacy reasons - courtesy of a lunatic on another web forum who forced me to become more "anonymous."
Rather than running the car into the ground, I think it might be interesting to do a test very similar to what Paradise Garage is doing. I could run the oil changes in the following order:
1. Royal Purple
2. Red Line
3. German Castrol Syntec (where do you buy it?)
4. Mobil 1
5. Your choice goes here....and so forth.
They run UOA at 1,000 mile intervals and do not change the filter until it UOAs show it is necessary.
My plan would be to run regular oil filter changes - 3k, 5k, or whatever you guys would like to see - and top off the oil level as needed. At each filter change, I would send a sample of the oil off for analysis. Once the oil reaches a predetermined point where the UOA numbers indicate the oil has cratered, then I pull the plug and move on to the next oil. I could get in touch with Paradise Garage and use the same determining factors they use to discontinue the test, that way we keep it somewhat consistent.
I would follow the same procedures they follow: new spark plugs before each sample, new air filter before each sample, and a 3k "rinse" interval between samples.
These types of tests take a long time for the results to come in, so I think it's possible that many of us would have an interest in the reverse order concept. Does anyone know if Paradise Garage would object to this idea??? I'd like to think that we could sort of team up on with one another - everyone would come out more informed that way.
Plus, it would give the members of this site a chance to compare the differences between [synthetic oil company "A"] on a relatively new Chevrolet pushrod engine and [synthetic oil company "A"] on a well broken-in Ford SOHC engine.
Testing would begin at 125k.
PLAN #2
1996 Crown Vic Police Interceptor, 147k - used as my daily to-and-from school, the grocery store, etc. car
This car will be the dino juice tester.
Following similar procedures as PLAN #1, I would be interested in running whatever cheap-A$$ dino juices you folks would like to see put to the test.
I would follow the same testing procedures as before - new plugs, filter, and "rinse" phase - but the idea would be to run these oils for a relatively long duration and then perform a UOA on them at the end of the test just to see how well they held up.
I think 7,500 miles or 10,000 miles might be of interest. My only concern here is how makeup oil might skew the results a little bit. Plus, I'd really like to punish these oils, so maybe longer drain intervals with occasional filter changes might be the best plan.
Does anyone have any ideas for the DINO-saur testing procedures???
Of course, I'd have to appeal for some sort of financial help for the cost of the UOAs. I support a family of five on a cop's salary, so it wouldn't be financially feasible for me to run UOAs this often. ![[I dont know]](/forums/graemlins/dunno.gif)
Testing would begin at 150k.
As stated previously, this would be the backup plan for both cars since they use virtually identical engines:
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The markings have been photochopped off for privacy reasons - courtesy of a lunatic on another web forum who forced me to become more "anonymous."
Rather than running the car into the ground, I think it might be interesting to do a test very similar to what Paradise Garage is doing. I could run the oil changes in the following order:
1. Royal Purple
2. Red Line
3. German Castrol Syntec (where do you buy it?)
4. Mobil 1
5. Your choice goes here....and so forth.
They run UOA at 1,000 mile intervals and do not change the filter until it UOAs show it is necessary.
My plan would be to run regular oil filter changes - 3k, 5k, or whatever you guys would like to see - and top off the oil level as needed. At each filter change, I would send a sample of the oil off for analysis. Once the oil reaches a predetermined point where the UOA numbers indicate the oil has cratered, then I pull the plug and move on to the next oil. I could get in touch with Paradise Garage and use the same determining factors they use to discontinue the test, that way we keep it somewhat consistent.
I would follow the same procedures they follow: new spark plugs before each sample, new air filter before each sample, and a 3k "rinse" interval between samples.
These types of tests take a long time for the results to come in, so I think it's possible that many of us would have an interest in the reverse order concept. Does anyone know if Paradise Garage would object to this idea??? I'd like to think that we could sort of team up on with one another - everyone would come out more informed that way.
Plus, it would give the members of this site a chance to compare the differences between [synthetic oil company "A"] on a relatively new Chevrolet pushrod engine and [synthetic oil company "A"] on a well broken-in Ford SOHC engine.
Testing would begin at 125k.
PLAN #2
1996 Crown Vic Police Interceptor, 147k - used as my daily to-and-from school, the grocery store, etc. car
This car will be the dino juice tester.
Following similar procedures as PLAN #1, I would be interested in running whatever cheap-A$$ dino juices you folks would like to see put to the test.
I would follow the same testing procedures as before - new plugs, filter, and "rinse" phase - but the idea would be to run these oils for a relatively long duration and then perform a UOA on them at the end of the test just to see how well they held up.
I think 7,500 miles or 10,000 miles might be of interest. My only concern here is how makeup oil might skew the results a little bit. Plus, I'd really like to punish these oils, so maybe longer drain intervals with occasional filter changes might be the best plan.
Does anyone have any ideas for the DINO-saur testing procedures???
Of course, I'd have to appeal for some sort of financial help for the cost of the UOAs. I support a family of five on a cop's salary, so it wouldn't be financially feasible for me to run UOAs this often.
Testing would begin at 150k.
As stated previously, this would be the backup plan for both cars since they use virtually identical engines:
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