Motul 8100 0W-40: oppinions and specs?

Ferrari · Feb 21, 2003

Does anyone have the specs for Motul 8100 E-Tech 0W-40? Does anyone use this oil or know more about it? I know it's a true Group IV synthetic and Motul manufactures some of the best oils out there, but the specs are nowhere to be found on their website. More info can be found at the Motul website , under Car, Lubricant, and then 8100... [ May 12, 2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

G-MAN · Feb 21, 2003

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Originally posted by Ferrari: Does anyone have the specs for Motul 8100 E-Tech 0W-40? Does anyone use this oil or know more about it? I know it's a true Group IV synthetic and Motul manufactures some of the best oils out there, but the specs are nowhere to be found on their website. More info can be found at the Motul website , under Car, Lubricant, and then 8100...

Based on what Motul says about this oil, it appears to be primarily an ester based (Group V) oil like Red Line. I, too, would like to see the spec sheet on it. [ May 12, 2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

dragboat · Feb 22, 2003

Motul is tight lipped,,you must email them for the typical data sheet and you can count on it being a PAO /Ester blend,,you may or may not be able to obtain the data sheet from them.

Jay · Feb 23, 2003

If you email Motul for specs they'll get back with you....eventually. You just have to be patient. I emailed them for specs on the 8100 E-Tech 0w-30 and after a few weeks I was snailmailed spec sheets for....6100 5w-40 and10w-40. [Roll Eyes]

[ February 24, 2003, 12:05 AM: Message edited by: Jay ]

JB · Feb 23, 2003

Jay: any chance you could post those specs up here?

cvl · Feb 24, 2003

Motul makes outstanding oils. I use thier 8100 0w-40 in the winter months and 300v 10w-40 in the summer months. Just call their guys in CA. I was able to talk to a tech there who was VERY informative. We talked at length about the specific formulation of their 300v oils and their complex esters that are only supplied to their factory teams.

Ferrari · Feb 24, 2003

cvl, in what car are you using that oil? Do you race it or drive it normally? I'm thinking about using the 8100 0W-40 year-round in my 2.2L 4-cyl VTEC Prelude engine. The price is actually reasonable (CDN$11/L), and a bit cheaper than Amsoil's S2K 0W-30.

Jay · Feb 24, 2003

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Originally posted by JB: Jay: any chance you could post those specs up here?

Motul 6100 Synergie 5w-40 ACEA A3/B3-CCMC G-5/PD-2 API SJ/CF VW500.00/505/00-MBW-PORSCHE-ROVER Density @ 15*C .846 Viscosity @ 100*C 14.3 cSt Viscosity @ 40*C 87 cSt VI 170 Viscosity @ -25*C (ASTM D-2602) 2750 cP Pour point -36*C (-33*F) Flash point 228*C (442*F) NOACK Volatility 9.1% TBN 11.8 mg KOH/g Motul 6100 Synergie 10W-40 ACEA A3/B3-CCMC G5/PD2 API SH/CF/ENERGY CONSERVING VW 500.00/505.00 (11/92)- BMW-PORSCHE-ROVER Density @ 15*C .872 Viscosity @ 100*C 15 cSt Viscosity @ 40*C 99 cSt VI 157 Viscosity @ -20*C (ASTM D-2602) 3300 cP Pour point -33*C (-27*F) Flash Point 232*C (450*F) NOACK Volatility 11.6% TBN 9.7 mg KOH/g The spec sheet says 100% synthetic but I can't make out what the synthetic is comprised of.

satterfi · Feb 24, 2003

"NOACK Volatility 11.6%" That's impressive for a 10w40 full synthetic. [Roll Eyes]

cvl · Feb 25, 2003

Nice try, but the oil in question is 8100 Ester E-Tech 100% ester-based synthetic, not the 6100 Synergy 10w40 synthetic BLEND. I don't race, but I've got a 1.6L turbocharged Mazda with 220HP at the rear wheels. If you're going to spend the money, get either Motul or Redline. Amsoil and RP are overpriced and overhyped consumer oils.

G-MAN · Feb 25, 2003

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Originally posted by satterfi: "NOACK Volatility 11.6%" That's impressive for a 10w40 full synthetic.

The pour point blows chunks, too. [Big Grin]

Ferrari · Feb 25, 2003

OK, I finally received an email from Motul. It's a PDF file written in French. Here is the PDF file

Can someone please convert those figures? This oil is "only" SJ rated, is that OK? What do you guys think of this oil? [ February 26, 2003, 12:38 AM: Message edited by: Ferrari ]

Patman · Feb 25, 2003

That oil looks very good! Very similar specs to the Castrol 0w30 SLX actually.

Ferrari · Feb 25, 2003

It took me 1 hour of searching on the 'Net to find out that mm2/s = cSt, so no conversion necessary... [Duh!]

Jay · Feb 26, 2003

Those are nice specs, incomplete as they are. I wish Motul had sent me the specs I asked for. [Frown]

Ferrari · Mar 9, 2003

Update: The HTHS is 3.66cP for the 0W-40. I'm still waiting on the NOACK %, I've emailed Motul about a week ago. [ March 10, 2003, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Ferrari ]

Patman · Mar 9, 2003

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Originally posted by Ferrari: Update: The HTHS is 3.66cP for the 0W-40. I'm still waiting on the NOACK %, I've emailed Motul about a week ago.

That's a pretty weak HTHS for a synthetic 40wt oil! Even 10w40 Castrol GTX has a similar HTHS (3.7) Redline's 10w30 is 3.8 by the way.

J · May 9, 2003

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Originally posted by Patman:
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Originally posted by Ferrari: Update: The HTHS is 3.66cP for the 0W-40. I'm still waiting on the NOACK %, I've emailed Motul about a week ago.
That's a pretty weak HTHS for a synthetic 40wt oil! Even 10w40 Castrol GTX has a similar HTHS (3.7) Redline's 10w30 is 3.8 by the way.

Hi, What's even weirder is that Mobil 1 0W-40 has HT/HS viscosity of 3.6 cP. The reason for bad showing of Mobil 1 high-spread oils in regards to HT/HS (0W-30 has HT/HS viscosity of only 2.99 cP) is that Mobil 1 cannot substitute VII with esters. So, why is Motul which is all ester showing poor HT/HS viscosity? [I dont know]

Besides, Motul is a Freedom oil. Buy Mobil 1 instead of Motul and pocket the difference. You'll only be losing 0.06 cP in HT/HS viscosity for savings of $3 to $5 per quart. [Smile]

Jae

G-MAN · May 9, 2003

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Originally posted by J: What's even weirder is that Mobil 1 0W-40 has HT/HS viscosity of 3.6 cP. The reason for bad showing of Mobil 1 high-spread oils in regards to HT/HS (0W-30 has HT/HS viscosity of only 2.99 cP) is that Mobil 1 cannot substitute VII with esters. So, why is Motul which is all ester showing poor HT/HS viscosity?

First, since Mobil 1 is a PAO/ester blend, your first statment doesn't really make any sense. The reason Mobil 1 oils tend to have relatively low HT/HS numbers is because they are all on the relatively low side of their viscosity ranges. For example, Mobil 1 0w30 has a cSt of 10.1 @ 100°C, while Castrol Formula SLX 0w30 is 12.3. The Castrol would naturally have better HT/HS numbers. Second, the HT/HS numbers of the Motul are fully in keeping with its relatively low cSt vis at 100°C, 13.3. This is on the low end of the 40 wt range. Third, if this Motul is truly a 100% ester blend, and has a pour point of -76°F, and Castrol 0w30 (German made) has a pour point of -81°F, I'm now wondering if the German Syntec/Formula SLX is actually a 100% ester blend. [Eek!]

(What's more likely is that BOTH oils have some PAO in them, albeit a very small amount, say ~20%.) Maybe MolaKule can give some input here. [ May 10, 2003, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: G-Man II ]

sprintman · May 10, 2003

I have recently changed to Motul Synergie 6100 5W40 PAO and without doubt the Mazda turbo I use as a test vehicle/daily driver runs far better than with any other oil used period (that includes M1 0W40 TS). The turbo seems to 'flash' almost instantly now and the engine is incredibly smooth and quiet. Don't know if it's a thin 40W, the basestock, or just a good additive package but if it's this good the 0W40 Ester E-tech should be really something (can't find that yet). Motul site seems to indicate this a dead product so I'mm gonna stock up as many 5 litre jugs I can get hold of. Definitely worth a try.

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