Will self-driving cars move out of the left lane when I flash my high beams?
If so then I welcome their arrival...
If so then I welcome their arrival...
Model 3 - Full Self Driving - Soon?
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Originally Posted by KrisZ
But they have to be implemented in such a way that the driver still remains near 100% attentive.
But that's impossible, because humans are unable to keep 100% of their attention on a task when that task is desperately boring. Like not driving a car.
In an aircraft, that's not always fatal--but often is--because the pilot usually has a few minutes to solve the problem that's just been dumped in his lap. In a car, forget it; if the driver isn't watching the road ahead and doing all the things they normally would when driving, there's no way they're going to react fast enough to prevent it; and, if they have to do all the things they normally would while driving, what's the point?
But they have to be implemented in such a way that the driver still remains near 100% attentive.
But that's impossible, because humans are unable to keep 100% of their attention on a task when that task is desperately boring. Like not driving a car.
In an aircraft, that's not always fatal--but often is--because the pilot usually has a few minutes to solve the problem that's just been dumped in his lap. In a car, forget it; if the driver isn't watching the road ahead and doing all the things they normally would when driving, there's no way they're going to react fast enough to prevent it; and, if they have to do all the things they normally would while driving, what's the point?
Originally Posted by emg
Originally Posted by KrisZ
But they have to be implemented in such a way that the driver still remains near 100% attentive.
But that's impossible, because humans are unable to keep 100% of their attention on a task when that task is desperately boring. Like not driving a car.
In an aircraft, that's not always fatal--but often is--because the pilot usually has a few minutes to solve the problem that's just been dumped in his lap. In a car, forget it; if the driver isn't watching the road ahead and doing all the things they normally would when driving, there's no way they're going to react fast enough to prevent it; and, if they have to do all the things they normally would while driving, what's the point?
Sure it can, but then certain functionality, like self steering, should not be allowed at all. Limit the system to emergency braking and a bunch of warning sounds etc. to keep the driver attentive of the task at hand.
But instead all these self driving capabilities are being implemented and tested at the expense of the customer without explaining any of the dangers. Signing a waiver or something similar is not an excuse. If trained professionals such as pilots have trouble staying alert, knowing full well how all the system work, how is all that knowledge all of the sudden being ignored for automotive applications?
Originally Posted by KrisZ
But they have to be implemented in such a way that the driver still remains near 100% attentive.
But that's impossible, because humans are unable to keep 100% of their attention on a task when that task is desperately boring. Like not driving a car.
In an aircraft, that's not always fatal--but often is--because the pilot usually has a few minutes to solve the problem that's just been dumped in his lap. In a car, forget it; if the driver isn't watching the road ahead and doing all the things they normally would when driving, there's no way they're going to react fast enough to prevent it; and, if they have to do all the things they normally would while driving, what's the point?
Sure it can, but then certain functionality, like self steering, should not be allowed at all. Limit the system to emergency braking and a bunch of warning sounds etc. to keep the driver attentive of the task at hand.
But instead all these self driving capabilities are being implemented and tested at the expense of the customer without explaining any of the dangers. Signing a waiver or something similar is not an excuse. If trained professionals such as pilots have trouble staying alert, knowing full well how all the system work, how is all that knowledge all of the sudden being ignored for automotive applications?
ATM, Tesla's AP system does not appear close to allowing anything like safe unmonitored operation.
Oh, and it's NTSB that determines fault in accident investigations that it cares to pursue, not NHTSA.
I can enable an AP mode in our newer Accord by leaving brake assist active and selecting automated cruise control and active lane keeping.
We've played with this from time to time while driving on divided highways and the car appears to do pretty well without any driver input.
This happy state of affairs would no doubt continue until it didn't and we'd end up running into some stationary object just as a number of Teslas have.
A true autonomous mode would be a great thing for boring interstate transits as well as commuting traffic.
When you felt like driving, you would and when you didn't you'd let the car do it for you.
We aren't close to being there just yet.
Oh, and it's NTSB that determines fault in accident investigations that it cares to pursue, not NHTSA.
I can enable an AP mode in our newer Accord by leaving brake assist active and selecting automated cruise control and active lane keeping.
We've played with this from time to time while driving on divided highways and the car appears to do pretty well without any driver input.
This happy state of affairs would no doubt continue until it didn't and we'd end up running into some stationary object just as a number of Teslas have.
A true autonomous mode would be a great thing for boring interstate transits as well as commuting traffic.
When you felt like driving, you would and when you didn't you'd let the car do it for you.
We aren't close to being there just yet.
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Will self-driving cars move out of the left lane when I flash my high beams?
If so then I welcome their arrival...
If they do, then the cars will be better drivers than the drivers. They should not be in the left lane in the first place except to pass, and you shouldn't have to flash them at anyone for this reason.
Will self-driving cars move out of the left lane when I flash my high beams?
If so then I welcome their arrival...
If they do, then the cars will be better drivers than the drivers. They should not be in the left lane in the first place except to pass, and you shouldn't have to flash them at anyone for this reason.
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