Originally Posted by Wreckage
Originally Posted by Ducked
Originally Posted by Wreckage
So I am not going to get any added benefits, better protection or longer OCI with the MX ESP or the M1 ESP over the regular MX?
I doubt you'd get better protection. Since these are Zn limited oils it could be worse.
Unless you get a lot of confirmatory analysis done, the longer OCI will depend on (a) oil makers claims, and (b) whether you believe them. You're unlikely to get any specific statements from the vehicle manufacturer in this context, and oil makers usually defer to the vehicle manufacturer, so that's probably a wash.
The price difference is, however, a certainty.
The "synthetic "oil MAY be more stable, but it gets contaminated just as quickly as the "conventional".
I'd only buy the fancier stuff if I was forced to by the vehicle specs.
You aren't.
So don't.
What do you mean the synthetic M1 is more stable?
I guess the whole reason I asked all this was because I am using the 0w 40 M1 in my car which is a full synthetic. From everything I read regarding petrol engines, the synthetic will have long term benefits over a conventional mineral based oil (engine will last longer before wearing/scuffing/etc and needing a rebuild).
Being my first diesel, I didn't know if things worked the same or not.
Are those synthetic benefits translated over into the Diesel world?
So potentially the MX ESP could be worse for the engine than the MX, considering this engine has no EGR/CAT etc regulations, then the MX may protect the motor better just because the oil is not designed to meet todays standards?
I guess theres 2 ways to see this when you dont know...
1: Modern oils are better as technology progresses, then things only improve.
2: Modern oils due to having to meet todays regulations (CAT, DPF, EGR, Emissions etc) protect all those parts but at the sacrifice of the engines longevity. So it does not protect as good as the older stuff as it is compromised to meet all the other criteria.
So my question which one of those is it.
2. (See above)
Though Universal Answer (a) probably also applies: Nobody Knows.
So 2., IMO, probably.
Universal Answer (b) probably also applies: It doesn't matter. Do what you want.
Originally Posted by Ducked
Originally Posted by Wreckage
So I am not going to get any added benefits, better protection or longer OCI with the MX ESP or the M1 ESP over the regular MX?
I doubt you'd get better protection. Since these are Zn limited oils it could be worse.
Unless you get a lot of confirmatory analysis done, the longer OCI will depend on (a) oil makers claims, and (b) whether you believe them. You're unlikely to get any specific statements from the vehicle manufacturer in this context, and oil makers usually defer to the vehicle manufacturer, so that's probably a wash.
The price difference is, however, a certainty.
The "synthetic "oil MAY be more stable, but it gets contaminated just as quickly as the "conventional".
I'd only buy the fancier stuff if I was forced to by the vehicle specs.
You aren't.
So don't.
What do you mean the synthetic M1 is more stable?
I guess the whole reason I asked all this was because I am using the 0w 40 M1 in my car which is a full synthetic. From everything I read regarding petrol engines, the synthetic will have long term benefits over a conventional mineral based oil (engine will last longer before wearing/scuffing/etc and needing a rebuild).
Being my first diesel, I didn't know if things worked the same or not.
Are those synthetic benefits translated over into the Diesel world?
So potentially the MX ESP could be worse for the engine than the MX, considering this engine has no EGR/CAT etc regulations, then the MX may protect the motor better just because the oil is not designed to meet todays standards?
I guess theres 2 ways to see this when you dont know...
1: Modern oils are better as technology progresses, then things only improve.
2: Modern oils due to having to meet todays regulations (CAT, DPF, EGR, Emissions etc) protect all those parts but at the sacrifice of the engines longevity. So it does not protect as good as the older stuff as it is compromised to meet all the other criteria.
So my question which one of those is it.
2. (See above)
Though Universal Answer (a) probably also applies: Nobody Knows.
So 2., IMO, probably.
Universal Answer (b) probably also applies: It doesn't matter. Do what you want.