Originally Posted By: Dually
Mobil 1 or Castrol Syntec ?
That's one way to get this forum riled up.
Mobil 1 or Castrol Syntec ?
That's one way to get this forum riled up.
Mobil 1 or Castrol Syntec ?
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Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
It was discussed for weeks on this site.
Yet you still got the facts wrong.
It was discussed for weeks on this site.
Yet you still got the facts wrong.
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Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Wasn't Mobil the company that failed the VQ wear tests? Then BP called them out. It was discussed for weeks on this site.
VQ?
Dude, if you are going to slag at least get the data somewhat in-line.
It was the Seq. IVA test that Ashland claimed that Mobil 1 5w30 didn't meet the wear spec for.
Test information here:
http://www.swri.org/4org/d08/gastests/ivatest/
This is a COLD test (the oil is at 49 and 59C for stages 1 and 2 respectively) and is designed to replicate short tripper wear on camshafts.
The API was asked about it and they stated that the lubricant met the spec.
The consensus on the site here was that Ashland was able to get their hands on a batch of the Katrina time-frame Mobil 1, which was produced when they had some significant supply interruptions due to the hurricane and had to make some formula changes to the product temporarily to allow production to continue.
IIRC, it was Bill in Utah who posted that during this time frame, the bottles did NOT have the API logo on them. This would make sense since the modifications to the formula would have made it different from the spec batch that was tested.
Now, I know that you'd like to try and derive some sort of basis for your vilification of ExxonMobil from this. That'd you love to use this as support to your claim that Mobil 1 is the seed of [censored], forged in the darkest depths of his groin only to be unleashed upon a poor, unsuspecting crankcase, causing unspeakable horrors.
Sadly however, you are, as you've always been on this topic, out to lunch.
None of the manufacturers pulled their certifications. The API continued to allow M1 5w30 to wear their starburst symbol and when the marketing claims didn't steal XOM's thunder, it quietly went away.
We ALL know you don't like ExxonMobil. But every time you post one of your ridiculous jabs against them, it just makes you look like a fool. You don't get your facts straight, you use conjecture and hyperbole as the main supports in your already baseless argument and it gets old seeing you recycle this tripe over and over again on this board.
If you don't like ExxonMobil, that's fine. There are plenty others that feel that way on here too. However they don't go on a ridiculous bovine fecal matter crusade every time the product is mentioned. Say your piece (that you don't like ExxonMobil) and that there are many other good oils out there and MOVE ON.
Wasn't Mobil the company that failed the VQ wear tests? Then BP called them out. It was discussed for weeks on this site.
VQ?
Dude, if you are going to slag at least get the data somewhat in-line.
It was the Seq. IVA test that Ashland claimed that Mobil 1 5w30 didn't meet the wear spec for.
Test information here:
http://www.swri.org/4org/d08/gastests/ivatest/
This is a COLD test (the oil is at 49 and 59C for stages 1 and 2 respectively) and is designed to replicate short tripper wear on camshafts.
The API was asked about it and they stated that the lubricant met the spec.
The consensus on the site here was that Ashland was able to get their hands on a batch of the Katrina time-frame Mobil 1, which was produced when they had some significant supply interruptions due to the hurricane and had to make some formula changes to the product temporarily to allow production to continue.
IIRC, it was Bill in Utah who posted that during this time frame, the bottles did NOT have the API logo on them. This would make sense since the modifications to the formula would have made it different from the spec batch that was tested.
Now, I know that you'd like to try and derive some sort of basis for your vilification of ExxonMobil from this. That'd you love to use this as support to your claim that Mobil 1 is the seed of [censored], forged in the darkest depths of his groin only to be unleashed upon a poor, unsuspecting crankcase, causing unspeakable horrors.
Sadly however, you are, as you've always been on this topic, out to lunch.
None of the manufacturers pulled their certifications. The API continued to allow M1 5w30 to wear their starburst symbol and when the marketing claims didn't steal XOM's thunder, it quietly went away.
We ALL know you don't like ExxonMobil. But every time you post one of your ridiculous jabs against them, it just makes you look like a fool. You don't get your facts straight, you use conjecture and hyperbole as the main supports in your already baseless argument and it gets old seeing you recycle this tripe over and over again on this board.
If you don't like ExxonMobil, that's fine. There are plenty others that feel that way on here too. However they don't go on a ridiculous bovine fecal matter crusade every time the product is mentioned. Say your piece (that you don't like ExxonMobil) and that there are many other good oils out there and MOVE ON.
i would have taken the sm castrol edge (gold bottle) over nearly any other syn, but its new version (sn) just isnt impressing me much compared to what it was
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Shoot, use PU or Redline, Valvoline, QS or Amsoil. Mobil has "dropped the ball" and has yet to recover the fumble.
Since M1 performs so well can you explane this statement? Also M1 has, by far, has the largest customer base of all the synthetic oils that I am aware of.
Shoot, use PU or Redline, Valvoline, QS or Amsoil. Mobil has "dropped the ball" and has yet to recover the fumble.
Since M1 performs so well can you explane this statement? Also M1 has, by far, has the largest customer base of all the synthetic oils that I am aware of.
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
According to my sources,M1 wears out cams and burns at a high rate in some cars... Castrol is WAAAAYYYY better heck, look at the uoas compiled M1 is far at best
Hmmm...I guess my step-fathers F150 with 160k of Mobil 1 has shafts without the cam part. If you are using UOA's to condemn an oil, than you are misinformed. No engine wears the same as another, no person drives the same. Each UOA is unique to that car, and should be used to setup a proper OCI for that vehicle and track that engine, nothing more. Unless your engine is modified/used under conditions never intended for it, you can rest assured as long as you use a lube that meets the spec/grade required by the MFR, your engine will live a long life. Of the cars we scrap, I have yet to see one that died due to lube. Each one has either had other parts fail (Trans, Diff), rust, or serious neglect. You may not like Exxon as a company, but there oils are quality products.
According to my sources,M1 wears out cams and burns at a high rate in some cars... Castrol is WAAAAYYYY better heck, look at the uoas compiled M1 is far at best
Hmmm...I guess my step-fathers F150 with 160k of Mobil 1 has shafts without the cam part. If you are using UOA's to condemn an oil, than you are misinformed. No engine wears the same as another, no person drives the same. Each UOA is unique to that car, and should be used to setup a proper OCI for that vehicle and track that engine, nothing more. Unless your engine is modified/used under conditions never intended for it, you can rest assured as long as you use a lube that meets the spec/grade required by the MFR, your engine will live a long life. Of the cars we scrap, I have yet to see one that died due to lube. Each one has either had other parts fail (Trans, Diff), rust, or serious neglect. You may not like Exxon as a company, but there oils are quality products.
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Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
It FAILED the VQ tests..period
What the heck is the VQ test? Are you drunk?
It FAILED the VQ tests..period
What the heck is the VQ test? Are you drunk?
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
It FAILED the VQ tests..period
You fail at getting the facts straight.
VQ test
Well done sir!
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A lung ventilation/perfusion test, commonly referred to as a VQ test, is carried out to test the function of the lungs. The test measures the blood and airflow in the lungs and is most commonly used if a doctor suspects that a patient has suffered a pulmonary embolism. A pulmonary embolism (PE) is a blood clot, which breaks away and travels up to the lungs. A PE can be fatal because it blocks blood flow and causes the oxygen levels in the blood to decrease.
I'm sure XOM will be incredibly upset that Dr. Dusty the oil guru is claiming that their product failed a lung ventilation test.
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
It FAILED the VQ tests..period
You fail at getting the facts straight.
VQ test
Well done sir!
Quote:
A lung ventilation/perfusion test, commonly referred to as a VQ test, is carried out to test the function of the lungs. The test measures the blood and airflow in the lungs and is most commonly used if a doctor suspects that a patient has suffered a pulmonary embolism. A pulmonary embolism (PE) is a blood clot, which breaks away and travels up to the lungs. A PE can be fatal because it blocks blood flow and causes the oxygen levels in the blood to decrease.
I'm sure XOM will be incredibly upset that Dr. Dusty the oil guru is claiming that their product failed a lung ventilation test.
VQ = Very Quality = M1
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I'm sure XOM will be incredibly upset that Dr. Dusty the oil guru is claiming that their product failed a lung ventilation test.
Maybe it's DrDusty that failed a VQ test.
I'm sure XOM will be incredibly upset that Dr. Dusty the oil guru is claiming that their product failed a lung ventilation test.
Maybe it's DrDusty that failed a VQ test.
VQ is the Nissan motor in the 350z, frontier, 370z, xterra, pathfinder....
M1 tends to have high iron content or etc.... Something PP/PU does not. Now, with an 0w40..... Ma not be the same.
M1 tends to have high iron content or etc.... Something PP/PU does not. Now, with an 0w40..... Ma not be the same.
Originally Posted By: dubie2003
M1 tends to have high iron content or etc....
or etc?
So what does failing a VQ test mean in this context? Is there some kind of a condemnation limit on ppm of iron above which engines self destruct? What is it? 100 ppm? 1000 ppm?
M1 gets bashed for more than single digit iron numbers on UOAs in just about any application. It's not related to VQ engines exclusively. Still, we're talking about less than 10 ppm difference. While I would love to hear a sensible explanation for it, I also believe we're splitting hair here and such low ppm levels have no bearing on engine longevity.
M1 tends to have high iron content or etc....
or etc?
So what does failing a VQ test mean in this context? Is there some kind of a condemnation limit on ppm of iron above which engines self destruct? What is it? 100 ppm? 1000 ppm?
M1 gets bashed for more than single digit iron numbers on UOAs in just about any application. It's not related to VQ engines exclusively. Still, we're talking about less than 10 ppm difference. While I would love to hear a sensible explanation for it, I also believe we're splitting hair here and such low ppm levels have no bearing on engine longevity.
I don't like Mobil 1. My engine burned a quart of it in under 4000 miles. My engine has never used a drop of any other brand, synthetic or conv, before or since I tried Mobil 1. I will never use it again. And do a search on engines consuming Mobil 1; I am not alone. Now I am running Amsoil Signature Series and am very happy.
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Originally Posted By: atc250r
I don't like Mobil 1. My engine burned a quart of it in under 4000 miles. My engine has never used a drop of any other brand, synthetic or conv, before or since I tried Mobil 1. I will never use it again. And do a search on engines consuming Mobil 1; I am not alone. Now I am running Amsoil Signature Series and am very happy.
I've used both and never had consumption on either. Your mileage may vary.
I don't like Mobil 1. My engine burned a quart of it in under 4000 miles. My engine has never used a drop of any other brand, synthetic or conv, before or since I tried Mobil 1. I will never use it again. And do a search on engines consuming Mobil 1; I am not alone. Now I am running Amsoil Signature Series and am very happy.
I've used both and never had consumption on either. Your mileage may vary.
I thought it was BP. It was Valvoline..SORRY.. Still funny how you guys defend an oil like it's your wife or kid. Even though XOM is the biggest producer of Hyrocracked G III oils DOESN'T mean they are the best.
Are these test rigged? Tell me OverK1ll, Volk..... Staged?? Could it be that it really isn't that good?
Are these test rigged? Tell me OverK1ll, Volk..... Staged?? Could it be that it really isn't that good?
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