Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w-30 Virgin Oil Analysis 2024 (Blackstone)

[2.7ecoboostFordBronco]

I purchased this oil from Amazon in mid-2024 for $24 per 5 quarts.

Here is a 3 year old (2021) VOA of this oil: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m1-0w30-advanced-fuel-economy-api-sp-voa.343621/
Starting TBN and viscosity are a little bit higher 3 years ago, maybe it's all within the lab's margin of error, or a slight forumulation change, I don't know.

Here is the link to the 2500 mile UOA dicussion thread: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ord-bronco-2-7l-ecoboost-out-of-grade.385783/

 

[wpod]

I have a 2015 F150 with the 2.7 engine and have been running Quaker State 5W-40 and M1 0W-40 Euro oils. But then I run the w-40 Euro oil in the 2006 Toyota Tacoma with the 2.7 4 cyl engine, the Wife's 2018 F350 with the 6.2 gas engine and the Ford 2010 Focus.

 

[2.7ecoboostFordBronco]

I have a 2015 F150 with the 2.7 engine and have been running Quaker State 5W-40 and M1 0W-40 Euro oils. But then I run the w-40 Euro oil in the 2006 Toyota Tacoma with the 2.7 4 cyl engine, the Wife's 2018 F350 with the 6.2 gas engine and the Ford 2010 Focus.

I may consider a similar pivot in the future given that M1 AFE 0W-30 in my 2500 mi analysis was down to a XXw-20 viscosity, but I have a 6000 mile analysis at Speed Diagnostix as well as another VOA from them that I will look at before deciding, and even then have a few more jugs of the AFE that I might still use for a few more intervals. It seems from reading the forum that many members feel that viscosity degradation isn't a big problem as long as wear metals are at low levels & what's more it seems that it can't be accurately addressed without GC fuel % results to assess what's causing it. I have two 2.7 broncos on the AFE, one on a 3000 mile interval and one on a 6000 mile interval, both with fram synthetic endurance cartridge filters, FWIW.

 

[Zenon]

Zinc and Phosphorus content is rather anemic.

 

[fantastic]

Thanks for testing. Always great to see tests done on oil every couple years to measure any real differences.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Agree with Zenon… I’d have to question the calibration on this one, it’s doubtful Mobil is shipping oil that doesn’t meet specifications…

 

[2.7ecoboostFordBronco]

Agree with Zenon… I’d have to question the calibration on this one, it’s doubtful Mobil is shipping oil that doesn’t meet specifications…

Thanks for taking a look: Just so I know what to watch for, which part of this VOA would be failing to meet spec? I couldn't really figure out from a few minutes of casual searching what the requirements (if any) for Zinc and Phosphorus were other than Phosphorus being capped at 800 ppm by API SP? Or is it the flashpoint that the Blackstone comments mentioned possibly correlating with out of spec Noack? I think they are only loosely correleated. Luckily I have another VOA for this one coming from a second lab in a week or so, already sent, waiting for results.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Thanks for taking a look: Just so I know what to watch for, which part of this VOA would be failing to meet spec? I couldn't really figure out from a few minutes of casual searching what the requirements (if any) for Zinc and Phosphorus were other than Phosphorus being capped at 800 ppm by API SP? Or is it the flashpoint that the Blackstone comments mentioned possibly correlating with out of spec Noack? I think they are only loosely correleated. Luckily I have another VOA for this one coming from a second lab in a week or so, already sent, waiting for results.

Mobil says AFE 0w30 “nominally” should have 760ppm P and 830ppm Zn. Considering the API SP minimum is 600ppm P, these two things are what makes me question the accuracy of this. Being off of Mobil’s nominal values by over 200ppm means Mobil’s mix is off by 25%?? Not likely IMO. That’d be a huge miss.

 

[2.7ecoboostFordBronco]

Mobil says AFE 0w30 “nominally” should have 760ppm P and 830ppm Zn. Considering the API SP minimum is 600ppm P, these two things are what makes me question the accuracy of this. Being off of Mobil’s nominal values by over 200ppm means Mobil’s mix is off by 25%?? Not likely IMO. That’d be a huge miss.
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Thank you, that is very interesting!

 

[ltslimjim]

@SubieRubyRoo Makes me wonder what B_S labs tests like for other oils wrt P and Zn. Are they testing lower than the pds on other oils?

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

@SubieRubyRoo Makes me wonder what B_S labs tests like for other oils wrt P and Zn. Are they testing lower than the pds on other oils?

There have been quite a few IIRC. Maybe @himemsys can put a conditional filter on his database to highlight the oils that are out of spec for Zn or P, high or low?

 

[himemsys]

There have been quite a few IIRC. Maybe @himemsys can put a conditional filter on his database to highlight the oils that are out of spec for Zn or P, high or low?

How would I go about that?

 

[4WD]

There have been quite a few IIRC. Maybe @himemsys can put a conditional filter on his database to highlight the oils that are out of spec for Zn or P, high or low?

I just went looking for BS discrepancies - Yep, enough where we might call in our special agent to post a page full LoL …

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

How would I go about that?

Use conditional formatting in the data tab up top if you’re in Excel. Choose the option of the value being between 2 sets of numbers, and set the low & high to 600 and 800, and then at the bottom to show which data it’s looking at, click and drag over the columns for a n & P in the are where the SN & SP oils are. I’ve put a couple pics below to illustrate. Instead of the cell numbers in the “cell value not between” simply enter 600 on the left and 800 on the right.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

I just went looking for BS discrepancies - Yep, enough where we might call in our special agent to post a page full LoL …

Told ya

If we saw these correlated with other labs’ analyses of specific brands and product lines, THEN you could safely assume it was an oil issue, not a lab issue.

 

[oil pan 4]

Zinc and Phosphorus content is rather anemic.

Very.

 

[buster]

B/S Labs is a gigantic waste of time and money.

 

[4WD]

B/S Labs is a gigantic waste of time and money.

Unless it supports confirmation bias

 

[buster]

Levels are off.

 

[2.7ecoboostFordBronco]

Here is the only other oil that I've sent to blackstone and another lab at the same time recently, it was a UOA though. It was from an airplane engine with the drain samples taken within a few second of each other from the same stream out of a warm engine. The other lab only tests for wear metals though.