Mobil-1 5W-30 EP, 2003 Ford 4.0L SOHC V-6, 5051 mi

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Previous oil changes were:

575 factory fill changed out with Castrol GTX 5W-30 and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

3010 Castrol GTX 5W-30 changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

6025 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

9025 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

12029 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

15057 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Wix 51372 oil filter.

19928 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Wix 51372 oil filter.

25000 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

30000 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

35036 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS (SM I believe) changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

40050 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. This was the first run of M1 Extended Performance.

45049 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 4 Qts. 5w-30 EP + 1 Qt. 15W-50 EP mix and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. VOA is located here for that mix: 4 Qts. Mobil-1 5W-30 EP + 1 Qt. Mobil-1 15W-50 EP mix

50049 Mobil-1 (4 Qts.) 5W-30 EP + (1 Qt.) 15W-50 EP changed out with mix of same and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. VOA for mix used for 45049-50049 interval above - this mix should be same.

55805 Mobil-1 (4 Qts.) 5W-30 EP + (1 Qt.) 15W-50 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5w-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

61381 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Mobil-1 M1-210 Extended Performance oil filter. Air filter also changed with Baldwin unit.

66382 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S filter. Fuel filter changed and FP60 started approx. 1300 miles (67,700) into this new interval.

71397 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S filter. FP60 use continued as it reduces wheezing sound of engine at higher RPM's, although it ran out soon after this OC was performed. Suspect the oil used in this OC was ILSAC GF-4 API SM.

76438 Mobil-1 5w-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S filter. No FP60 use. New Wix air filter installed. Oil used in this OC was labled as ILSAC GF-4 and API SM.

Results:

Code:



M1 oil type: EP-SM EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL SS-SM SS-SM SS-SL SS-SL SS-SL SS-SL

Sample Date 09/06 04/06 03/06 01/06 11/05 09/05 06/05 05/05 03/05 01/05 09/04 06/04 03/04 10/03

Truck Milage 76438 71397 66382 61381 55805 50049 45049 40050 35036 30001 25000 19928 15057 9025 Universal

Oil Milage 5051 5015 5001 5576 5756 5000 4999 5014 5036 5000 5072 4871 3028 3000



Aluminum 3 4 3 4 3 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4

Chromium 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1

Iron 8 10 9 12 11 9 8 11 16 12 11 14 19 16 15

Copper 6 4 2 3 7 5 2 3 4 4 4 5 3 3 6

Lead 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 2 0 3

Tin 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 1 2 1 1 3 2 3 1

Molybdenum 84 62 72 76 73 79 90 85 66 60 77 59 69 77 56

Nickel 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Manganese 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1

Silver 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Titanium 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Potassium 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 2

Boron 81 123 169 175 160 150 199 160 98 120 163 138 157 155 53

Silicon 9 8 8 10 9 9 10 9 9 9 12 11 10 9 9

Sodium 6 7 7 8 11 8 6 8 5 5 8 6 4 7 11

Calcium 2418 2204 2434 2513 2540 2866 3276 2833 2417 2412 2860 2938 3120 2887 2096

Magnesium 12 13 14 19 16 14 15 12 15 6 14 13 14 20 159

Phosphorus 659 646 710 784 814 838 880 750 678 608 761 756 730 799 726

Zinc 719 773 817 939 933 1050 1005 900 694 677 893 909 825 910 869

Barium 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1



SuS@210F 59.6 60.2 62.1 64.0 68.3 66.9 63.9 62.4 60.1 59.8 61.0 60.9 59.3 61.3 should be 56-63

Flash_F 370 385 400 405 420 420 425 410 400 370 410 410 385 385 should be >365

Fuel %
Antifrz% 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 should be 0

Water % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 should be
Insoles% 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.1 should be
TBN 3.5 4.3 5.8 4.8 5.8 6.1 5.3 5.4 4.4 5.7 5.7 5.8 5.4 8.5

Particle Info

Lab Number N/A C72012 C68130 C63994 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

ISO Code (2) N/A 14/11 25/22 14/11 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

NAS 1638 Class N/A 0 10 0 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

ISO Code (3) N/A 14/14/11 26/25/22 15/14/11N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 2 Micron N/A 303 707000 404 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 5 Micron N/A 112 261948 149 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 10 Micron N/A 31 72526 41 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 15 Micron N/A 12 28000 16 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 25 Micron N/A 2 6715 3 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 50 Micron N/A 0 651 0 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

>= 100 Micron N/A 0 33 0 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A





Blackstone Comments: You have been keeping your oil use intervals steady around 5,000 miles and your engine is rewarding you with steady wear trends. All wear continues to read well within the average range for this type of engine after a little longer than average oil run, so we don't think any problems are developing. The oil was normal in viscosity and free of any harmful contaminants. The TBN was still strong at 3.5, so the oil has plenty of active additive left. You were at 5.8 last time. Feel free to run the next oil longer. 7,000 miles should be not be a problem.

My comments: This was the first run of my truck doing very short trips twice a day, like 2 miles. Also, been in a careless mood lately, so there were many many days I drove it fairly hard to get to the train station on time, so, truck wasn't even warmed up and I was beating on it. Still did a fair amount of highway, however, at least half of this mileage was very short trip driving around town. Take this into account when comparing this UOA with my past ones which say mostly highway driving. Another thing to note is that while the 5 qt. jug I used for this UOA said ILSAC GF-3 and API SL, you can see by the additive levels when comparing to the below VOA I did on the Mobil-1 5W-30 ILSAC GF-4 API SM I put in to replace this UOA, that this UOA is most probably also the ILSAC GF-4 API SM Mobil-1 EP.

Very interesting how short trip driving, driving the truck hard while not warmed up (granted, the temperatures were still warm/mild), and the decreased additive levels all combined to produce a UOA that really isn't all that different than the past UOA's I had which were mostly all highway and had higher additive levels.

Mobil-1 5W-30 Extended Performance ILSAC GF4 API SM VOA

Chuck

P.S. I know I can go longer than 5,000 miles on Mobil-1, however I cannot do so and remain under warranty. In less than 20,000 miles, we'll start seeing how Mobil-1 and other synthetics can handle longer intervals in this engine.
 
What's with the next to the last PC. Something is unright. You can't go from where you were to where you are without something being different.

You may have breached the media. They would have to be off by a factor of 1000 to even make it look terrible
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Gary Allan- Beats me on the next to last particle count, the truck ran fine with no untoward noises. What adds fuel to that fire is that the first (oldest) particle count is a Motorcraft filter. The next one, the one you're questioning, is a Mobil-1 Extended Performance, and the final (newest) one is a Motorcraft again. Somehow, I can't believe that the Mobil-1 is that bad, which to me raises questions on just really how accurate these partice counts are.

Sorry for the formatting, something is up with the new BBS that's doing that.
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Chuck
 
That kinda makes me think that the filter was defective. Dr. Haas has like PC. Originally I thought that it was an error of so many digits (like some factor of 10X, 100X, etc.) ..but now seeing your one time oddity, I'm beginning to think that his, which are consistantly in that 70k level on the smaller particles, are the result of just plain REALLY loose filtering due to the nature of his flow potential and the likelihood of him ever putting enough mileage on it to ever require a rebuild (nor someone of like stature ever blinking an eye at the prospect).

So, I'm going with a defective filter for your odd PC.

MC filters, in the limited number of PC performed with their use, have trumped other more expensive filters. They may be the sleeper brand.
 
Anyone notice how the three changes with 1 quart of 15w-50 have much lower insolubles and slightly higher TBN? It seems thicker within reason may be better!
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This is the mix I am using and will have a UOA on shortly. However I believe these UOA's prove the point beyond doubt to me.
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Are you saying that the few instances of lower insolubles ..with almost identical wear levels ..and pretty much everything else being equal or equally random within a fairly narrow range is justification for using a mix?? There are insoluble levels that match or even beat it further back on SS M1 5w-30.

It's a little hard to define differences where your resolution is one digit to the right of the decimal point. .3 isn't 150% of .2 ..it can be like comparing .24 to .25. They don't state it as .20 or .30.
 
I'm not arguing the presence of the differences
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..but it's a real "close shave" ..so to speak.
 
I'm with you on this one Gary, if you can have that kind of variance of such a low resolution number with the exact same oil, any other conclusions drawn are invalid.
 
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