Microgard Select msl57502 after Valvoline Restore and Protect

[ZeeOSix]

One note there was a little bit of sloppy glue. However, I could not get it off with a thumb nail.

The glue on the PGI supplied filters seem to be some really robust glue that will not come off, even with a good amount of force. The Motorcraft and Purolators that use the black glue has been shown to come off from normal filter use ... not good.

 

[kschachn]

There have been a lot of Valvoline Restore and Protect users on this board, and some have shown lots of debris in the filter that was a result of Valvoline Restore and Protect use. So I don't think it totally "dissolves" and puts everything into solution based on many user's filter cut & posts.

I guess I really haven't seen posts where someone has previously been cutting open filters and documenting the debris prior to using Valvoline Restore and Protect. Yes we get a lot of posts showing debris during use of the oil (and all are claiming it is due to "cleaning") but is it really? All of which is contrary to what Valvoline says. Not claiming otherwise just restating what they said.

I mean there are some debris in the filters I cut open on regular oil, not a lot but some. I'd have to make some sort of quantitative decision as to whether Valvoline Restore and Protect has actually increased the particles. The vehicle I used it on (my Tiguan) didn't have anything before really, nor does it now. But it might not be "dirty". Who knows?

Same as the claim here where Valvoline Restore and Protect has cleaned up the engine when there's nothing to compare it against.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I guess I really haven't seen posts where someone has previously been cutting open filters and documenting the debris prior to using Valvoline Restore and Protect. Yes we get a lot of posts showing debris during use of the oil (and all are claiming it is due to the use) but is it really?

All of which is contrary to what Valvoline says. Not claiming otherwise just restating what they said.

There are some clear examples from members with C&Ps where the heavy debris in the filter is from using Valvoline Restore and Protect.

Check this example out.

Thread 'Mobil 1 M1-110 oil filter after 2500 miles of Valvoline Restore and Protect'

Apr 5, 2025

Second run of Valvoline Restore and Protect is in the can, literally. Wow! Guess I won’t be running even 2500 miles /3 months on a filter. In hindsight, I can only imagine how nasty was the first filter I ran on Valvoline Restore and Protect to longer miles (I only recently got a filter cutter).

I think I’ll be on monthly filter swaps until I see cut filters saying I don’t need to swap them so frequently.

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[kschachn]

There are some clear examples from members with C&Ps where the heavy debris in the filter is from using Valvoline Restore and Protect.

Check this example out.

Thread 'Mobil 1 M1-110 oil filter after 2500 miles of Valvoline Restore and Protect'

Apr 5, 2025

Second run of Valvoline Restore and Protect is in the can, literally. Wow! Guess I won’t be running even 2500 miles /3 months on a filter. In hindsight, I can only imagine how nasty was the first filter I ran on Valvoline Restore and Protect to longer miles (I only recently got a filter cutter).

I think I’ll be on monthly filter swaps until I see cut filters saying I don’t need to swap them so frequently.

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Perhaps, but that poster has quite the thing for this oil. That had to be a hecka messy engine.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Perhaps, but that poster has quite the thing for this oil. That had to be a hecka messy engine.

Well, it shows that using it certainly can result in large debris in the filter. Maybe "having a thing" for the oil makes it work better, lol. It's pretty obvious that it works for a lot of people who use it. Even those who don't see a lot of debris in the filter report that their oil consumption goes way down, and those are probably cases where just the rings are gunked up and stuck.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I guess I really haven't seen posts where someone has previously been cutting open filters and documenting the debris prior to using Valvoline Restore and Protect. Yes we get a lot of posts showing debris during use of the oil (and all are claiming it is due to "cleaning") but is it really? All of which is contrary to what Valvoline says. Not claiming otherwise just restating what they said.

I mean there are some debris in the filters I cut open on regular oil, not a lot but some. I'd have to make some sort of quantitative decision as to whether Valvoline Restore and Protect has actually increased the particles. The vehicle I used it on (my Tiguan) didn't have anything before really, nor does it now. But it might not be "dirty". Who knows?

Same as the claim here where Valvoline Restore and Protect has cleaned up the engine when there's nothing to compare it against.

Yeah, well, it is what it is.

I don’t think I had found BITOG back in 2008 when we bought the FJ. I’ve been cutting filters open for quite a few years. I really never thought it could be a source of entertainment or useful to be shared with others.

So yeah, I got no data from previous oil changes.

If you want that data, I suggest you buy a new vehicle on start doing your little process.

Personally, I just thought it’d be neat to try and see if anything was in the filter. I’ve seen a few different horror story filters where Valvoline Restore and Protect has dislodged debris…… a great deal of material.

So what can I take away from this filter open at 2500 miles after starting to use Valvoline Restore and Protect? , It says the engine was pretty **** clean to begin with. I had followed a 5K or less OCI, I used Mobil 1 from day one, usually a Mobil 1 filter or Denso. The puff of smoke on startup seems to be gone. Still not consuming any noticeable oil at 148k

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Valve stem seals may be the cause of oil smoke. Not so easy to do on those engines. Your engine looks clean as silk in there.

Yeah, it’s certainly not smoking enough to mess with valvestem seals. It honestly doesn’t even seem like it’s got the puff of smoke anymore.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

The glue on the PGI supplied filters seem to be some really robust glue that will not come off, even with a good amount of force. The Motorcraft and Purolators that use the black glue has been shown to come off from normal filter use ... not good.

Yeah, personally experienced that black glue with the Motorcraft filters. You and some others sent me down that rabbit hole. I pretty much use nothing but microguard select filters now.

 

[Chris142]

Something is odd with that filter #. The fj uses a 3/4x16 thread. The 57502 is a 22mm thread!

 

[kschachn]

Well, it shows that using it certainly can result in large debris in the filter. Maybe "having a thing" for the oil makes it work better, lol. It's pretty obvious that it works for a lot of people who use it. Even those who don't see a lot of debris in the filter report that their oil consumption goes way down, and those are probably cases where just the rings are gunked up and stuck.

I’ve never claimed that I don’t think it works. In fact I’ve defended that in some threads. That wasn’t my point here. I was only stating what Valvoline themselves have said and noting that I hadn’t seen a true documented case where these debris are a verified result of using the product. This thread here was a perfect example of that, only after the use of the product were the filters evaluated for debris.

 

[kschachn]

If you want that data, I suggest you buy a new vehicle on start doing your little process.

I did. Thanks for the suggestion. My Tiguan has a cartridge filter so it is much easier to check than ones that are enclosed in a can.

In my case it has done nothing. No increase in debris and no reduction in consumption. I’m pretty certain it has leaking valve stem seals and I’ll be replacing them this fall along with another water pump and thermostat housing, as well as cleaning the intake valves.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Something is odd with that filter #. The fj uses a 3/4x16 thread. The 57502 is a 22mm thread!

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Yeah, I’m not going down that road.
Somewhere there’s a debate about this for a few months back. If a member correctly, it was directed toward Denso oil filters used on Toyota.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I’ve never claimed that I don’t think it works. In fact I’ve defended that in some threads. That wasn’t my point here. I was only stating what Valvoline themselves have said and noting that I hadn’t seen a true documented case where these debris are a verified result of using the product. This thread here was a perfect example of that, only after the use of the product were the filters evaluated for debris.

Maybe the guys from Valvoline should do some more in-field use research. It's pretty obvious from people using Valvoline Restore and Protect and showing the resulting filter condition here can result in a lot of large debris in the oil filter.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Someone must understand that engineers can say one thing. They can prove something else. They can say prove that crap in a lab under a controlled environment, was stringent appearance to procedures.

That same thing that they just proved in the lab, falls completely apart in a real world situation. Environmental factors, unseen circumstances, the human element, all swerve the thesis. Just because an engineer proves something in a lab, it doesn’t mean it’s gonna work in an actual street driven engine.

 

[kschachn]

Someone must understand that engineers can say one thing. They can prove something else. They can say prove that crap in a lab under a controlled environment, was stringent appearance to procedures.

That same thing that they just proved in the lab, falls completely apart in a real world situation. Environmental factors, unseen circumstances, the human element, all swerve the thesis. Just because an engineer proves something in a lab, it doesn’t mean it’s gonna work in an actual street driven engine.

I guess Valvoline really doesn't understand the product they created.

 

[Chris142]

Yeah, I’m not going down that road.
Somewhere there’s a debate about this for a few months back. If a member correctly, it was directed toward Denso oil filters used on Toyota.

I'm nottalking about brand..I'm talking about the complete wrong thread for your FJ. The fj uses a sae thread and that filter is a metric thread.

Carry on

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I'm nottalking about brand..I'm talking about the complete wrong thread for your FJ. The fj uses a sae thread and that filter is a metric thread.

Carry on

Yes sir that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Yep, the differences in the threads.

Post in thread 'Is this filter longer version of the YZZD1?'

Jun 28, 2025

Which Toyota filter(s) ... post the link to that info. Like mentioned before, some Toyota filter threads are metric, but the majority of them are not.

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So this thread started out about the 90915-YZZD1 and a longer alternative.

The D3 was discussed. This brought about the thread size discussion.

I brought up the D3 is a direct replacement of the D one. I’ve been using it on my Japan built 2008 FJ since October that year.

Then we went down this three-quarter by 16 topic. Some seem to believe that all Toyota filters are 3/4x16.

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[Faawrenchbndr]

I guess Valvoline really doesn't understand the product they created.

Yeah, I guess they don’t……

 

[cdoublejj]

An 08 is almost 20 years old, gaskets and valve steam seals get tried and hsrd depending on the its life treatment snd environment or rather a thought to think about. Maybe a few specs is normal