OVERKILL
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How long are they lasting for you? They have a slightly (80K vs 70K) longer tread warranty than the Michelins.
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 vs Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus
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I think I got 40k out of the first set in Chicagoland driving. The 2nd set, about 20k. Buuuut the 2nd was in TX with daily highway driving of 95-105MPH for about 40-50 miles. So I can’t necessarily blame the tire for that lol.
We obviously need a lot more roaming speed traps in Texas.
I currently run the PSAS4 on my Sportwagen and W8, an excellent year-around tire down here in VA that performs much better than folks give it credit for vs. a pure summer tire. Know so many people that run the DWS06+ and the consensus has always been the DWS has a bit more snow focus for an all season vs. the Michelin and therefore trades a bit of dry handling for that. If you are looking for shoulder season use up there in the Great White North, I'd do the DWS06+. Have used the PS4AS in light snow here without issue and plenty of testing by the "tyre review" YT channel supporting that's it a pretty good all arounder. I use Conti's ECS02 for summer tires BTW and rain tires for track but actually used the PSAS4s on track when I first was starting out and...they were just fine driven at a more n00b pace. I've pushed them hard, they are excellent for a UHP AS.
And because on a public road, the different in these two is so minimal w/r to how hard you can actually drive safely. I love my summers but I could do without and not be upset with my PSAS4s. Also...while that GC is fast, it's not a sports car by any stretch.
I use my Conti ECS02 as my track-day rain tires, they have superb wet weather performance vs. the PSAS4 on track in the wet.
Here is a video that I could find of using PSAS4s on track in the cold-ish wet b/c I didn't have my Conti's - normally that's what I drive to the track on and carry my track wheels/tires (200tw) in the car but this event was in December with the temps I use the all seasons for as my "winter" tires here in central VA so that's what I had. Nothing great w/r to my driving, but still probably harder than you would drive on a public road.
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Agreed. All the test data I have seen show that most summer performance tires perform just as well in rain, sometimes better, than a/s performance tires.
Where a/s performance tires outperform summer performance tires is in cold weather. They just don't have the grip. And the thought of driving summer tires in snow or ice just terrifies me.
But....the testing will show that a summer perf. tire will out brake a winter/snow tire in the cold as long as it's dry. PS4S/ECS02 will out-perform their all season counterparts in the wet. If you are talking about extreme summers that are "200 tread wear" yeah, their wet preformance will not be as good as a UHP all season typically b/c they just don't have as much siping/as many primary ribs. Check out this guy's video, it's excellent and shows the PS4S vs. PSAS4:
Are you aware of any site which measures the hydroplaning resistance of various tire types/brands? For me personally this has been my primary focus and I've always felt that an A/S tire of the same size would perform better in this regard.
This guy's channel is as good as I've seen, I'm sure you can surf around and find his testing on that. For me, hydroplaning always seems to be directly related to how worn the tires are...more tread depth = more resistance to it. I don't note any real difference on my UHPASs or summers. Now my 200s...horrendous haha...just too much flat surface area/only 2 main grooves.
I've never had a set of performance tires last much more than 30K, so many variables and like you, 3-4/32" is it for me.
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OVERKILL
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What precipitated this thread was that last Sunday when I was coming home from the cottage, we got a lot of rain and there was standing water. I hydroplaned 3x, and that was enough!
Based on this thread, I've decided to go with the Conti's, they are being installed tomorrow at noon, so I'll have them on for Friday when I have to drive back up to pick up my son.
Thanks everyone for your advice, this was a very difficult decision, as the recommendations were so evenly split.
Based on this thread, I've decided to go with the Conti's, they are being installed tomorrow at noon, so I'll have them on for Friday when I have to drive back up to pick up my son.
Thanks everyone for your advice, this was a very difficult decision, as the recommendations were so evenly split.
A buddy's Jeep GC Track Hawk at the track (VIR)...had a coolant leak/overheating issue unfortunately. The supercharger sounds good on the straigths. I imagine these are fun on the street. Can't see the what tires he has but not 200s for sure, some sort of summer performance tire. These are really just too heavy for track work and was surpised the club let him drive it, many will not allow SUVs.
OVERKILL
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There are only a few options in the factory size, those kind of look like the OE Pirelli 220's I have that are cooked? (the Trackhawk and SRT take the same tires). The TR picture isn't correct, let me see if I can find the pic of mine when they were fresher.
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Here we go:
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OVERKILL
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Going from these hockey pucks, I may appreciate soft, lol