Miami Herald has article about short life of E.V. tires
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It's definitely the torque more than weight even. I don't think many realize how much force the tires take to use that much throttle and because it's silent it seems drivers are more likely to use more throttle.
I mean, my 370z ate a set of Michelin PSS in about 18k miles.
I've got 19.4K on our Model 3 Mid Range. Conti ProContacts are fine; about time for another rotation. I love these tires. One had to be replaced at 10K due to a nail near the sidewall. I do keep them aired up, just like all my cars.
Next set will be these or Michelin Pilot Sport A/S which I just put on our beloved TSX.
Next set will be these or Michelin Pilot Sport A/S which I just put on our beloved TSX.
I’ve heard of the Rivians eating up tires quickly. I wonder if it’s the camber changes in vehicles with air suspension, combined with weight and torque?
My Model Y Performance has almost 11,000 miles and I drive it hard daily. The tires feel like they’re wearing evenly but I’ll measure them to be sure. I can’t rotate them due to the rears being wider so it’s not like I have any options.
My Model Y Performance has almost 11,000 miles and I drive it hard daily. The tires feel like they’re wearing evenly but I’ll measure them to be sure. I can’t rotate them due to the rears being wider so it’s not like I have any options.
Oh boo hoo. I used to own a Toyota MR2 that went through a set of rear tires every 8000 miles and a set of front tires every 25,000 miles.
It's just another story intended to pile on with the currently popular trend to bash EV's.
It's just another story intended to pile on with the currently popular trend to bash EV's.
Psas4 went 12k on my C40 with 6/32 remaining, and 20k on my ev6 gt with 4/32 remaining, and PSS went 19k on my 370z with white cords hanging, lol! Im curious how my CC2s on the GT do.
I'm effin amazed!!!! Heavy car wearing tires fast!!! Fagtastic!
Really? No, really? No thought process? Joe level brain fail or total absence?
Really? No, really? No thought process? Joe level brain fail or total absence?
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Absoluttaally........ 1800+ TIMES higher tire wear related POLLUTTION? NOoooooooooo can be........ but documented....
Google all you want.
Google all you want.
What are you on about? My gas and ev wear tires similarly. Same tires worn the same equal same pollution, not that I really care.
Since special purpose EV tires are well, different, I guess we need data as far as how long they last.
Should be easy enough, next few years will have that figured out for sure.
I wasn’t aware of the new designation “HL” that companies are coming out with for EVs and right now, being new, they are expensive according to the second link.
Also will those wear ratings on the side be based on EVs?
I suspect most current EVs have standard tires as in no HL rating?
Interesting OP
Pirelli seems to indicate maintenance will be the same.
It’s easy enough to check the tire wear rating of any tire right on the tire.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tires/do-electric-vehicles-need-special-tires-a4689725362/
Possibly more to the story on wear
Source:
https://insideevs.com/features/623285/ev-tires-explained/
There is a lot on the subject using your favorite search engine. I didn’t know a tire classification is new or recommended for EVs “HL” for high load
Should be easy enough, next few years will have that figured out for sure.
I wasn’t aware of the new designation “HL” that companies are coming out with for EVs and right now, being new, they are expensive according to the second link.
Also will those wear ratings on the side be based on EVs?
I suspect most current EVs have standard tires as in no HL rating?
Interesting OP
Pirelli seems to indicate maintenance will be the same.
It’s easy enough to check the tire wear rating of any tire right on the tire.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tires/do-electric-vehicles-need-special-tires-a4689725362/
Possibly more to the story on wear
“Do EV tires wear faster?
Typically yes, but not always. Electric vehicles are significantly heavier than gas-powered cars because their battery packs weigh so much. That extra weight puts more pressure on the tires, leading to faster wear. Electric motors are also often more powerful than gas engines too, while at the same time being able to deliver instant torque. If you’re often flooring the accelerator in your EV, your tires will wear that much faster due to the huge and instantaneous load they’re handling.“Source:
https://insideevs.com/features/623285/ev-tires-explained/
There is a lot on the subject using your favorite search engine. I didn’t know a tire classification is new or recommended for EVs “HL” for high load
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There are definitely heavy EVs out there, but I think it's funny that the picture shown here is a Model 3 going by the wheel design, which is a 3,800-4,100lb vehicle. Of course weight plays a role, but it's almost undoubtably down to driving style. It's funny that I typically have higher horse powered cars than my wife and do drive them spiritedly, but my tires usually last longer than hers. She tends to be more aggressive with the throttle stoplight to stop light and she's never had a car where the wheel wells aren't caked with rubber because of it. I flat just don't drive hard in city limits in stop and go situations, probably less so than the average driver. I would not be surprised to learn that people drove their EVs the same way even though the power band is so different. Realistically until you get into truck and SUVs most EVs aren't appreciably heavier than their ICE counterparts and the tires really aren't that different other than having foam inserts for road noise. There are lower rolling resistance tires available, but those don't tend to wear faster and if anything would have a harder compound. Really they don't need a different type of tire other than if range is more important than grip. Its also possible that the OEMs are choosing the wrong tire for the wrong reasons. Low rolling resistance tires with less grip could equal more slip and spinning for heavy footed drivers and with any good tire if the alignment is good for conservative tire wear I think it's a driver problem.
I can't say her tires are wearing faster than any other car she's had, but I drive this one a lot more than other cars she's had, so my driving may be balancing it out. That said the car will get new wheels when it gets new tires just like every vehicle we've ever owned and it will get a grippier setup, no matter what it does for range. We don't tend to keep anything stock when something needs replaced. I definitely will share my results when we get to the point of tire replacement though. It has the OEM Michelin MXM4s which I don't know is that different from the regular version of this tire other than the foam inserts. We had the same tires on her previous Ford Edge, but those were on 22" wheels.
Im not so sure the HL tires are OEM on EVs yet. They cost more and from the read it seems companies are just starting up with them.
I dont know but you would know if you had them by the HL designation on the tire I think.
I suspect maybe these tires might become an OEM thing for one reason over the other. They are further reducing rolling resistance which will give better range numbers is a theory. Have no idea if that will happen but if so, maybe that would affect tire wear also something about noise etc
Define abnormal? You did pick one of the more obese luxury cars to compare to, that is also about 10" longer. The weight penalty of an EV is about 500-1500 lbs right now depending on the car. This certainly affects tire wear. BMW M5s go through tires faster than M3s in general. I don't care personally and it would not stop me from getting an EV or heavier car, but there is no free lunch.
https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/do-no-harm
No, no, the weight penalty is only for the elitist SUV owners. That's separate from EVs themselves. I've spent a lot of time here laying out how exponentially weight increases with vehicle size because everyone is so determined to drive large overweight vehicles. EVs make that worse with large vehicles. If you drive a vehicle where the average EV is 1,000lbs heavier you're the problem too. The obesity problem in America isn't reserved just for the waist, it also involves the vehicle purchase. Those that think or argue otherwise are delusional and are stuck in a bubble that have convinced themselves that they aren't the problem while blaming others for their problem. EV and ICE aren't exempt from this. If you need to tow and it is for recreational purposes that require a vehicle of this size you're part of the problem. If this offends you, sorry.
I'm beyond being nice about this. I'm sick of being called an elitist especiallly on this site for owning a $40k EV while fools own $70k trucks towing boats thinking I'm the elitist driving an EV. Seriously this is becoming a sick fallacy on the part of self righteous fools believing they are in the right for their lifestyle over me with my 4 cylinder and battery car staying in my own lane not taking excess space up on the road. I don't think you're saying anything negatively in this case in particular, but those that think they're owed something in their lifestyle are getting mad at the wrong people and I've had enough of of it.
Generally there is a 500+ lb weight penalty for comparing the same type car in the same class. The Tesla Model 3 is probably the least "penalized" EV but it does exist. Look at the BMW X5 vs iX and the many other examples like it. Both huge SUVs but the iX is about 1000 lbs more. This is just fact, I am not anti-EV, I'm anti-SUV for people who don't need SUVs though and would love if they went away. I like small cars and it's now impossible to see over everyone's massive single passenger POS fake-AWD crossover.
I agree that the outcry is rich from people who go out and buy tanks anyway. Unfortunately though, their tanks will get a bit tankier if they are EVs.
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Seems to boil down one thing. Lead foots. A lot of EV drivers that I see aren't exactly "grannies" when it comes to the use of their right leg in commanding the power of the electric motors. Extra weight and power delivery compared to ICE vehicles of same size/similar construction doesn't help. Also, some of those EV drivers don't believe in smooth, even, and safe lane changes on highways/interstates.
Depending on the size of vehicle of course, which was my main point. The larger the vehicle the bigger the divide in weight between ICE and EV. The Rivian is basically a midsize truck that weighs nearly 2000lbs more than some of its full size competitors.
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