There are many other vehicles out there where owner manuals call for very specific engine manufacturer specs and approvals and not just generic API ones.Both owner manuals of my vehicles, 2016 GDI and 2021 GDI turbo, simply say use an oil that has the API "Starburst" symbol. Wonder if we over think this whole issue...just a bit?
Meets or exceeds ??
I’ll go with exceeds everyday of the week
Why do you think Redline is still around making a profit since 1979.
They offer a **** GOOD PRODUCT !!!!!
Or they’d be out of business by now !
Exactly, and that’s what I quite don’t understand.There are many other vehicles out there where owner manuals call for very specific engine manufacturer specs and approvals and not just generic API ones.
And ESP X2 0W-20 is a bit less clear, IMO.Meets or Exceeds seems to be the correct language for blenders/manufactures to use on products they can self-certify for, like the API ones. Basically, they can run the in-house test and claim that they meet or exceed the requirements, there is no formal approval issued by an independent body in this case.
The Dexos license is a bit weird, because it's a license, and clearly they've got one, as the number is listed, but it's included under the same heading. Perhaps they are self-certifying for this as well?
On actual manufacturer approvals where the testing is performed by the OEM and then certified, the heading will be different.
An example from XOM:
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This product meets or exceeds the requirements of: |
API SL |
API SN Engine Test Requirements |
API SN PLUS ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS |
API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS |
ACEA C5 |
Those are also correct, if you look into the API documents for licensing there is additional information.Although ESP X2 0W-20 is a bit less clear, IMO.
This product meets or exceeds the requirements of: API SL API SN Engine Test Requirements API SN PLUS ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS ACEA C5
I have been in disagreements on other forums where people insisted that Amsoil SSO and Red Line (the original Street/Racing version) were API certified. They usually get it when I ask them to show me the donut on the bottle.
But I don't blame them because this whole "meets or exceeds" or "recommended for" is all very confusing to a lot of people.
And ESP X2 0W-20 is a bit less clear, IMO.
This product meets or exceeds the requirements of: API SL API SN Engine Test Requirements API SN PLUS ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS ACEA C5
I have been in disagreements on other forums where people insisted that Amsoil SSO and Red Line (the original Street/Racing version) were API certified. They usually get it when I ask them to show me the donut on the bottle.
But I don't blame them because this whole "meets or exceeds" or "recommended for" is all very confusing to a lot of people.
While no formal engine oil license performance is implied or guaranteed in this formulation, (unlicensed formula) the key physical properties have been met as defined by SAE J300, and the formula passed the tests required for API and ILSAC base oil interchange.
I don't claim to be an engine designer, but is it possible that not all GDI turbo engines are the same? They run under different pressure, with different lubrication systems/hardware, and call for different oil change intervals. Wouldn't these differences warrant different oils meeting different specs?Exactly, and that’s what I quite don’t understand.
Why for a given engine technology, say a GDI turbo, are there no specifics specifications to very specific specifications? What is so different in these motors between manufacturers?
Yes, even Exxon uses “Meets or Exceeds”. The most important thing is the API donut with SP. All the rest is good old Bitog hang wringing. Flame suit on.Meets or Exceeds seems to be the correct language for blenders/manufactures to use on products they can self-certify for, like the API ones. Basically, they can run the in-house test and claim that they meet or exceed the requirements, there is no formal approval issued by an independent body in this case.
The Dexos license is a bit weird, because it's a license, and clearly they've got one, as the number is listed, but it's included under the same heading. Perhaps they are self-certifying for this as well?
On actual manufacturer approvals where the testing is performed by the OEM and then certified, the heading will be different.
An example from XOM:
View attachment 50072
Ya’ think???Both owner manuals of my vehicles, 2016 GDI and 2021 GDI turbo, simply say use an oil that has the API "Starburst" symbol. Wonder if we over think this whole issue...just a bit?