Maxlife - Valvoline says not to use in Aisin Warner TF 80SC?

[BBC Bias]

Hi Everyone

I've bought Valvoline Maxlife (it's labelled "Valvoline ATF" here in Europe, I'm sure someone can confirm they're the same fluid) for a fluid change in an Aisin Warner TF 80SC in my Vauxhall Astra but the spec on the jars includes the following:
Volvo STD1273.41,1161521,1161540 (Aisin Warner 6-speed transmission TF 80SC excluded).

Any thoughts at all welcome

 

[2EHA]

jws-3324 is WS

jws-3309 is TIV

that transmission used one of those two fluids. use as you want, the “recommended for” label on the back isn’t to be taken seriously. maxlife should work fine

 

[kschachn]

For all the criticism that the “recommended for” listing gets on this brand, I cannot imagine doing the opposite and using it when they specifically state not to do so.

 

[Greasymechtech]

Could be an automaker specific programming glitch that might not adjust/adapt to the multivehicle ATF...
There is another automaker that like to program the transmission to act up if fluid was out of spec... and does so with oil grades to

So, heed the warning. Use something else.

 

[UG_Passat]

Maxlife in the US has no such warning

US_Val_MLMultiVehicle_ATF_EN.pdf - DocuSign CLM

sharena21.springcm.com

But, what's the GM spec Vauxhall requires?

 

[nwjones18]

If they took the time to specifically call out that transmission as not approved then I'd tend to listen to them...

 

[RamFan]

Rarely does a producer of a product state that their "universal" fluid SHOULD NOT be used in a specific application. I'd listen to them about this.

 

[blufeb95]

Return it and use a fluid with whatever specific approval or specification is necessary.

 

[Greasymechtech]

Threadstarter isn't in a Volvo. So, should be ok.

 

[2EHA]

Threadstarter isn't in a Volvo. So, should be ok.

it looks like a US market based recommendation list. they made a half baked attempt to identify all the TF80SC applications and they still missed some.

why the tf80sc in particular, who knows

 

[slacktide_bitog]

jws-3324 is WS

jws-3309 is TIV

that transmission used one of those two fluids. use as you want, the “recommended for” label on the back isn’t to be taken seriously. maxlife should work fine

For all the criticism that the “recommended for” listing gets on this brand, I cannot imagine doing the opposite and using it when they specifically state not to do so.

Oddly, I actually agree with both of these points

That said, that particular transmission was used on many cars calling for fluids that Maxlife claims to be suitable/recommended for use in.

 

[SoNic67]

TF80SC transmissions made before year 2011 (generation 1) use JWS 3309 standard (TIV) oil, while transmissions made from year 2011 (generation 2) use JWS 3324 (WS) standard oil.
I would respect the Valvoline recommendation and not use that fluid. Probably liability issues with Volvo in Europe (and not in US) forced them to exclude that transmission.

 

[BBC Bias]

Maxlife in the US has no such warning

US_Val_MLMultiVehicle_ATF_EN.pdf - DocuSign CLM

sharena21.springcm.com

But, what's the GM spec Vauxhall requires?

Dexron VI

 

[BBC Bias]

TF80SC transmissions made before year 2011 (generation 1) use JWS 3309 standard (TIV) oil, while transmissions made from year 2011 (generation 2) use JWS 3324 (WS) standard oil.
I would respect the Valvoline recommendation and not use that fluid. Probably liability issues with Volvo in Europe (and not in US) forced them to exclude that transmission.

Car was registered April 22, 2013

 

[MolaKule]

Could be an automaker specific programming glitch that might not adjust/adapt to the multivehicle ATF...
There is another automaker that like to program the transmission to act up if fluid was out of spec... and does so with oil grades to

So, heed the warning. Use something else.

How does the computer know or predict what fluid I put in there?

 

[SoNic67]

How does the computer know or predict what fluid I put in there?

Pressure level (PWM adjusted since 2000's) and the delays in action.

 

[Greasymechtech]

How does a transmission fail with type-F or Dexron III when it calls for ATF+4?

 

[gyrfalcon]

From what I found it doesn't quite match up with low-viscosity levels AW-1 specifies. It's a few points higher but otherwise aligns well with AW-1 or Aisin ATF-0WS from a specification standpoint.

 

[demarpaint]

It says NAG 1, I wouldn't use it in my Jeep.

 

[CleanSump]

It says NAG 1, I wouldn't use it in my Jeep.

New Automatic Gearbox (NAG) Generation 1 is a Mercedes designation for an older transmission group.
Most Jeeps, including Wranglers, had NAG1 transmissions from 2006 to 2015.