Maxima Synthetic Chain Guard

[ZeeOSix]

I use DuPont Chain Saver. I tried the Pro Honda with Moly lube and can't say I noticed any difference to the DuPont stuff other than the Honda lube went on a bit darker (presumably because of the moly) and cost a bit more.
The OEM chain on my FZ-09 only went about 13K miles before one of the links seized. I've been using DID 525VX chains (aftermarket not OEM) ever since and I replace them at around 20K miles when they start needing more and more adjustments. Could probably run them a few more thousand miles if I really wanted to squeeze every last drop out of em.

I have also used the Dupont Chain Saver. Comparing it to the standard Maxima Chain Wax, the Maxima seems to last longer before the rollers start getting dry. I've used the Maxima on the Busa for it's whole life, and the chain was only adjusted 2 or 3 times in 15K miles (mostly in the early miles due to chain break-in). And the bike wasn't ridden mellow by any means.

Another thing I noticed with the Dupont Chain Saver is that it is noticeably thinner, so when it's spayed onto the chain a lot of it drips off. Whereas, with the Maxima lube it's not as runny and more of the lube stays on the chain. Using either one, you need to spray enough on to wet the chain decently for the lube to wick into the inside area of the rollers, and just seems the Dupont really runs off the chain when lubing compared to the Maxima.

Was the Honda HP as thin and runny as the Dupont Chain Saver?

 

[Bonz]

^^^ Lube on an O or X ring chain also lubes the inside of the center rollers where they contact the main cross pins ... That is the only non-sealed area. So it's good to use a lube that can penetrate and get well into that atea.

When I envision what you are describing, I see the lube getting inside the rollers and pins and supplanting the factory lube that the x/o rings are there to keep sealed in?

 

[02SE]

When I envision what you are describing, I see the lube getting inside the rollers and pins and supplanting the factory lube that the x/o rings are there to keep sealed in?

You have the X/O rings which seal in the grease between the pins and the inside of the bushings. On the outside of the bushings, there is a space between the outside of the bushing, and the roller. Chain lube lubricates between the outside of the bushing and the inside of the roller, and the interface between the outside of the roller and the sprockets.

 

[ZeeOSix]

When I envision what you are describing, I see the lube getting inside the rollers and pins and supplanting the factory lube that the x/o rings are there to keep sealed in?

No, the area between the inside of the roller and the pin it rides on is not sealed by O or X ring. So to have a properly lubed chain, the lube needs to wick in from the ends of the rollers and reside in the space between the inside of the roller and the cross-pin bushing.

O2SE beat me to it by a hair, lol.

 

[Chris142]

I have noticed that on my atv that my chain and sprockets last longer with no lube. I run O-ring chains. I think the chain lube just makes dirt stick and it becomes a grinding paste.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I have noticed that on my atv that my chain and sprockets last longer with no lube. I run O-ring chains. I think the chain lube just makes dirt stick and it becomes a grinding paste.

Probably true on a dirt machine, but different IMO on a street bike.

 

[02SE]

No, the area between the inside of the roller and the pin it rides on is not sealed by O or X ring. So to have a properly lubed chain, the lube needs to wick in from the ends of the rollers and reside in the space between the inside of the roller and the cross-pin bushing.

O2SE beat me to it by a hair, lol.

With so much snow on the ground, I'm not riding anywhere fast. So I just have to settle for typing fast...

 

[ZeeOSix]

With so much snow on the ground, I'm not riding anywhere fast. So I just have to settle for typing fast...

Must have modified your fingers too ...

 

[Bonz]

Ditto on the snow.

 

[02SE]

Must have modified your fingers too ...

Ghetto Kit™ for the fingers...

 

[Alain2]

I have noticed that on my atv that my chain and sprockets last longer with no lube. I run O-ring chains. I think the chain lube just makes dirt stick and it becomes a grinding paste.

When I ride off-road, I prefer a dry chain over a greased chain. I use WD-40 Specialist Dirt and Dust Resistance Dry Lube PTFE Spray. Cleaning the chain after is also easier.

 

[jeff78]

Another thing I noticed with the Dupont Chain Saver is that it is noticeably thinner, so when it's spayed onto the chain a lot of it drips off. Whereas, with the Maxima lube it's not as runny and more of the lube stays on the chain. Using either one, you need to spray enough on to wet the chain decently for the lube to wick into the inside area of the rollers, and just seems the Dupont really runs off the chain when lubing compared to the Maxima.

Was the Honda HP as thin and runny as the Dupont Chain Saver?

Yeah, the Honda HP spray is about the same viscosity as Chain Saver, so there tends to be a good amount of overspray unless you're really careful - definitely have to use the tube to focus the spray and modulate the pressure on the nozzle carefully, but this is easier said than done. I spray the top side of the lower chain run while holding a rag on the bottom side so it catches most of the overspray.
Maybe the low viscosity would help it get into the areas where it needs to be, but I have no way of knowing for sure.
Chain Saver is also available as a liquid in a small squeeze bottle but I've never tried it.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Ghetto Kit™ for the fingers...

Guess I should have left the TRE™ plugged in, lol.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I spray the top side of the lower chain run while holding a rag on the bottom side so it catches most of the overspray.

Save a few empty cereal boxes. I cut them to the size so I can get it behind the bottom run of the chain to mask over-spray, and then spray the top side of the lower chain run like you do. The cardboard prevents any over-spray. I have to roll the bike to expose the next area of chain, but can lube the whole chain by rolling the bike 4 or 5 times and never have to put it on a swing-arm stand to service the chain.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

What we are lubing are external roller and between the roller and the
sprockets (red area in my drawing)... we are not lubing the X rings
nor behind the X rings so any oil applied in that effort is a waste
and will only fling off...

 

[ZeeOSix]

What we are lubing are external roller and between the roller and the
sprockets (red area in my drawing)... we are not lubing the X rings
nor behind the X rings so any oil applied in that effort is a waste
and will only fling off...

Only way you're not going to lube the area above the O or X ring is to use a bottle and put drops of oil on every external roller. When you spray lube a chain you'll obviously get lube everywhere on the outside of the chain, and it really doesn't hurt.

 

[CatCam2]

I got my hands on a few cans of this stuff called Gear Guard made by a local company here in Louisiana named WeChem. I find it the best stuff I've ever used on the four wheelers and dirt bikes. From their site - "
This aerosol is a tacky asphalt-based spray lubricant that provides an elastic retractable film that protects moving metal-to-metal surfaces. By reapplying itself with each revolution of moving gears, the molybdenum disulfide in it shields parts and reduces wear. The unique dual spray valve provides a choice of pinpoint or fan spray. Designed to absorb high shock loads and extreme pressure without cracking, peeling or scratching. Marine and oilfield operations find its extreme resistance to water-washout desirable. Also used by elevator, construction, and mining companies as well as steel and paper mills."

https://117rsv12m3gc2pif3s3c2c0f-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/GEAR-GUARD-4-4-16.pdf

 

[ZeeOSix]

Guy at the Honda shop swore this was the best stuff he's ever tried. Anyone here try this stuff ?

Original Chain lube - Dumonde Tech | Bicycle Chain Lube | Motorcycle Oil | Bike Lube | Chain Lubricant|

www.dumondetech.com

 

[02SE]

Guy at the Honda shop swore this was the best stuff he's ever tried. Anyone here try this stuff ?

Original Chain lube - Dumonde Tech | Bicycle Chain Lube | Motorcycle Oil | Bike Lube | Chain Lubricant|

www.dumondetech.com

How much experience with different chain lubes does he have? If that's the only lube he's used, it would definitely be the best he's ever tried.

I will say that's one chain lube I haven't tried. Try it and let us know how it goes. Maybe I'll switch from the Honda HP chain lube W/moly.

 

[ZeeOSix]

How much experience with different chain lubes does he have? If that's the only lube he's used, it would definitely be the best he's ever tried.

I will say that's one chain lube I haven't tried. Try it and let us know how it goes. Maybe I'll switch from the Honda HP chain lube W/moly.

Yeah, I was skeptical. I went to Amazon and it's sold there ... then searched for the word "motorcycle" in the reviews and didn't get even one hit. Maybe the dude at the Honda shop thought I was shopping for bicycle chain lube.