MAG1 Full Synthetic 5w 30. 10k OCI?

[factorytuned2012]

It’s a good synthetic but I’m conservative the mentioned vehicle 6,000-7,500.

 

[oil pan 4]

Where have you seen this? I have only seen words such as “synthetic technology” which is correctly applied.

It was posted on one of the lake speed jr posts. People were arguing over one of the oils tested being a "synthetic blend". That's just what they put on the bottle. The oil in question was a cheaper group 2 oil. So they're either calling group 2 oils synthetics or calling it synthetic blend because it has a squirt of boron in it and I don't even know if that oil had any boron in it at all.
Years ago when I only started searching and reading bitog in the early 2000s people were arguing about group 3 oil being true synthetics. Good times.

 

[oil pan 4]

It’s a good synthetic but I’m conservative the mentioned vehicle 6,000-7,500.

You can always test it and see if it's done or if there's still a few thousand miles left in the oil.

 

[kschachn]

It was posted on one of the lake speed jr posts. People were arguing over one of the oils tested being a "synthetic blend". That's just what they put on the bottle. The oil in question was a cheaper group 2 oil. So they're either calling group 2 oils synthetics or calling it synthetic blend because it has a squirt of boron in it and I don't even know if that oil had any boron in it at all.
Years ago when I only started searching and reading bitog in the early 2000s people were arguing about group 3 oil being true synthetics. Good times.

All right, but you didn’t say synthetic blend in your first post. What do you think blend means?

And as far as the boron thing goes, you do not understand what you are talking about.

 

[oil pan 4]

All right, but you didn’t say synthetic blend in your first post. What do you think blend means?

And as far as the boron thing goes, you do not understand what you are talking about.

Then what am I talking about?
Tell me how it is.

 

[kschachn]

Then what am I talking about?
Tell me how it is.

I have done that with you multiple times on multiple issues and posts. At some point, it would be better if you didn’t make those posts about things that you do not understand.

 

[oil pan 4]

I have done that with you multiple times on multiple issues and posts. At some point, it would be better if you didn’t make those posts about things that you do not understand.

You just always say that.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Interesting, I was under the assumption that for any oil to meet api SP that a slight amont of syn was needed. If even calls it out as a syn blend on the label

To you point on current technology of PCMO - the 'semi-synthetic' label is meaningless - it's just marketing.

From the past:

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Received. Thanks sir.

Unless you’re doing 10k all highway, I probably wouldn’t. Lawyer-speak incoming below:

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

It was posted on one of the lake speed jr posts. People were arguing over one of the oils tested being a "synthetic blend". That's just what they put on the bottle. The oil in question was a cheaper group 2 oil. So they're either calling group 2 oils synthetics or calling it synthetic blend because it has a squirt of boron in it and I don't even know if that oil had any boron in it at all.
Years ago when I only started searching and reading bitog in the early 2000s people were arguing about group 3 oil being true synthetics. Good times.

Boron is an additive, not a base oil. It’s a metallic solid regardless of what its carrier is. The addition of boron to anything would not change the original Group nor make it a “blend”.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Boron is an additive, not a base oil. It’s a metallic solid regardless of what its carrier is. The addition of boron to anything would not change the original Group nor make it a “blend”.

Since all rigorous, classical definitions are out the window with PCMO labeling, Borate esters (or similar) add significantly to "Synthetic-like" performance by improving anti-wear, and anti-oxidant characteristics when blended in lubricating oils along with friction and wear reduction by also forming a boron nitride layer on the wear zones.

Subie, I get the base oil reference, but consumers have been bamboozled by the "Fully Synthetic Motor Oil" labeling for over two decades now where lower groups provide "Synthetic Like" performance. Something they cannot achieve without a proper DP/AW package.

- Arco

 

[oil pan 4]

Boron is an additive, not a base oil. It’s a metallic solid regardless of what its carrier is. The addition of boron to anything would not change the original Group nor make it a “blend”.

I agree with all of that.
Never said it was a base oil.
Since you're way smarter than that other guy and a better person in general. What little I read on boron, I think it comes in 3 forms in oil.
Borax, probably used as a detergent for obvious reasons. Don't know if it's still used.
Ester bound boron. An additive oil also cleans good. Not all esters have boron in them.
A third boron additive that's low temperature anti wear.
Tell me where I'm wrong, I'm sure some of that's incorrect. Maybe all of it.

 

[wlk]

Always at 5k OCI. Toyota recommends 5k OCI for 06 Tacoma. V6 Engine is running flawlessly (355 000 miles). Time to get off my butt and have oil analysis done. Am I incorrect to assume oils have significantly improved since 2006? Thank you for the feed back. Grateful.

If they recommend 5k oci.. my question really is why go beyond that? No gain to it unless she runs hwy miles and put 5k on a month then sure maybe. Those are easy vehicles to service and for the cost of an uoa you could change it and would have fresh oil instead of data that really has no value. 5k got you a lot of miles, under the vehicle to inspect the conditions of the vehicle, see no point to it.