M1 0W30 ESP (additional specs.)

[ChrisD46]

Just as an FYI , I found additional specs on M1 0W30 ESP from a Spanish you tube site (i.e. in addition to what M1's USA site shows) for M1 0W30 ESP :

TBN : 7.84
TAN : 1.92
NOACK : 9.2
VI : 180
Oxidation : 40
(Mo) : 80
(P) : 806
(Z) : 923
(B) : 291
(Mg) : 15
(Ca) : 1662

 

[Glenda W.]

Thanks. This is currently my favorite wally oil.

 

[ChrisD46]

Yes , one of the better available Wally oils …

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Low moly, high calcium, low magnesium. Does it carry dexos certs and all the other ones it carries here? It’s cool info, but it’s highly possible that oil isn’t blended exactly the same way everywhere around the globe.

There’s different SDS & PDS for different countries for reasons other than just the different languages- just saying, be careful what you assume about a company’s global operations.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Yes , one of the better available Wally oils …

So you aren't married to SP Standard for your 2.4 anymore Chris? 1662 Calcium is over SP limits and so is the ZDDP.
Is the 0w30 listed as SL...... just curious?

 

[RevvCats]

Low moly, high calcium, low magnesium. Does it carry dexos certs and all the other ones it carries here? It’s cool info, but it’s highly possible that oil isn’t blended exactly the same way everywhere around the globe.

The US jugs don’t carry Dexos or API certs. Its MB 229.31/51/52, Porsche C30, VW 504/507, ACEA C3.

On their website they list is as an API SL because the calcium is too high for anything newer, but they also say it meets API SN,SN+,SP engine testing requirements so if you’re worried about LSPI it’s not happening in engine.

 

[buster]

There was a recent VOA of ESP 5w30 SP on the Russian Oil Club site. Noack is 8.6%. No moly or ester showing. Some speculate there may be some mPAO mixed in.

 

[Patman]

I still think that 5w30 ESP is the better choice unless you live somewhere that gets extremely cold (-30 for example)

 

[ThatNavyGuy]

I still think that 5w30 ESP is the better choice unless you live somewhere that gets extremely cold (-30 for example)

Agree, but not sure if $10/jug better.

 

[Glenda W.]

I like the 0w30 formula that still uses ester, it’s a mid saps version of the previous 0w40 formula that Dave from HPL said performed very well in his lab.

 

[Patman]

Agree, but not sure if $10/jug better.

Here in Canada it’s only $1 more per jug at Canadian Tire and when it’s on sale for 35 or 40% off it ends up being less than a dollar more.

 

[ChrisD46]

Low moly, high calcium, low magnesium. Does it carry dexos certs and all the other ones it carries here? It’s cool info, but it’s highly possible that oil isn’t blended exactly the same way everywhere around the globe.

There’s different SDS & PDS for different countries for reasons other than just the different languages- just saying, be careful what you assume about a company’s global operations.

Very good points you bring up - I have no idea if a Spain available M1 0W30 ESP has a different make up or not than what is shown as a SP tested version available in the USA . Conversely , M1 0W30 ESP would never carry Dextros certs . *I mainly was interested in the NOACK , TBN and TAN just to possibly learn more about this oil . The VI shown (180) does correlate to what Mobil - USA shows .

 

[ChrisD46]

So you aren't married to SP Standard for your 2.4 anymore Chris? 1662 Calcium is over SP limits and so is the ZDDP.
Is the 0w30 listed as SL...... just curious?

The you tube video did not show the back of the M1 jug but it sure seems to point to a possible SL formulation ? I’m running M1 5W30 EP currently in the Hyundai 2.4L and I would be concerned with an oil if not tested to meet SP specs . I have read where turbo DI engines are most susceptible to LSPI (high calcium) while non - turbo DI engines have far less LSPI occurances … I know that I don’t want to find out if that’s true or not.

 

[ChrisD46]

Agree, but not sure if $10/jug better.

I would consider trying the M1 5W30 ESP if WM carried it at a good price in a 5 quart jug (but they don’t) as WM only sells the 5W30 ESP in more expensive 1 quart bottles .

 

[Azimuth]

I still think that 5w30 ESP is the better choice unless you live somewhere that gets extremely cold (-30 for example)

Other than the 5W-30 having better NOACK (~8.6% vs 9.2% for the 0W-30), what benefits does it have?

 

[edyvw]

The US jugs don’t carry Dexos or API certs. Its MB 229.31/51/52, Porsche C30, VW 504/507, ACEA C3.

On their website they list is as an API SL because the calcium is too high for anything newer, but they also say it meets API SN,SN+,SP engine testing requirements so if you’re worried about LSPI it’s not happening in engine.

Phosphorous, not calcium, and that only applies to XW30 oils.

Which is absolutely irrelevant, as all those approvals are far more stringent than anything API.

 

[edyvw]

Other than the 5W-30 having better NOACK (~8.6% vs 9.2% for the 0W-30), what benefits does it have?

5W30 will be more shear stable.

 

[edyvw]

The you tube video did not show the back of the M1 jug but it sure seems to point to a possible SL formulation ? I’m running M1 5W30 EP currently in the Hyundai 2.4L and I would be concerned with an oil if not tested to meet SP specs . I have read where turbo DI engines are most susceptible to LSPI (high calcium) while non - turbo DI engines have far less LSPI occurances … I know that I don’t want to find out if that’s true or not.

API is irrelevant for this oil as all those approvals, especially MB229.51/52, are more stringent than anything API.
Generally, Euro engines don't have LSPI issues (besides some VW 1.4TSFI engines from 20yrs ago that never made their way to US).
MB229.52 addresses LSPI and is tested on MB engine not Ford engine (API test sequence is kind of "one size fits all").
Also, take into consideration that ZDDP plays role in preventing LSPI. The LSPI issue started when API limited phosphorous levels.
We discussed that in numerous threads, and I bet @kschachn can dig out some topics for you.