M1 0W-20 EP Is 60-70% PAO [Possibly True?] -65F

[Fallguy]

If you look at foreign MSDS listings they have to apparently show things by percentages. Shows M1 0W-20 Extended Protection to be 60-70% PAO If you Look at the Canada MSDS on Mobil 1 0W-20 Go to Mobil 1 MSDS website Link below. Plug in Canada. This is probably old news to some but if this is accurate I find this phenomenal. Wish me luck on running the M1EP 0W-20 its MRV is my big attraction for the winter & the PAO. Now I know how they flow down to -54 Celsius / -65 Fahrenheit Believe all of their 0W oils use much PAO. Look for " Decene " on the MSDS List 5W+ are mostly group III I believe. http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/IntApps/psims/psims.aspx

 

[4WD]

Just put that oil in new 5.3L … very quiet compared to my other 5.3L … too soon to tell how long the OLM will let me run it … but easy to monitor using those naughty steering wheel buttons …

 

[FermeLaPorte]

I'm currently using M1 0w-40 on my Nissan Versa with the fiver. Been noticing increased reaction times and it's more quiet.

 

[Artem]

Wow, crazy flow temp. Perfect for winter, even down here in Florida. Hahahaha. Cold starts SUCK.

 

[blupupher]

Interesting. I have 5 qts sitting on the shelf in the garage that I got for $2/qt at the Auto Zone clearance last year. No need for the 0w portion of the oil here in south Texas, but looks to be good stuff (and I know a lot of UOA's show it to be).

 

[Crispysea]

Does that mean M1 AP is 100%? That would explain the price.

 

[spj]

No, the MSDS lists the same ammounts for AP as is does EP. What I am unsure about is if mPAO is listed at all.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: spj

No, the MSDS lists the same ammounts for AP as is does EP. What I am unsure about is if mPAO is listed at all.

Well the MSDS will list a range and not a specific percentage. MSDS are not intended for reverse engineering an oil. I also doubt that in the context of an MSDS the different PAO varieties would have meaningful safety and firefighting differences which would warrant a separate category. As someone who used to write MSDS for a living I would never trust any of the percentages given in an MSDS, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Fallguy]

1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER HYDROGENATED 60 - < 70% = PAO basestock Thought many of the other 0W's of Mobil 1 would/could have it but looking like the 0W-20 M1 Extended Performance is the only one with this high supposed concentration (60-70%). At least I now know that Decene in a MSDS would be PAO. If we can trust the percentages is a completely different question I suppose. Not sure why they dont use the 60-70% PAO in many of there other oils in the "Extended Performance Line". Guess with the Extended Performance 0W-20 they charge enough extra to fund the PAO and have a stellar 0W in the lineup. All others and they have to compete with group III price point competition. Link: http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/IntApps/psims/psims.aspx

 

[spj]

Not looking to reverse engineer anything, but why list any percentage at all then? They list a +/-10 percent range for a reason.

 

[turboseize]

If you want a fully synthetic (i.e. PAO base stock) 0w-20, have a look at Ravenol. They have two, an API SN / ilsac gf-5 / ACEA A1/B1] and an ACEA C2. They are not cheap, a 5 litre jug will cost ~40€.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: spj

Not looking to reverse engineer anything, but why list any percentage at all then? They list a +/-10 percent range for a reason.

Okay, if you say so.

 

[Fallguy]

Thanks, Just trying to stay in the $20-30 5qt range which mostly puts me in the group III range. But noticed seams this particular one has very high PAO which makes it an extremely good value. OW-20 M1 EP seams to have a lot of PAO if MSDS is to be believed. Even the American MSDS shows 60-70% high PAO on the 0W-20

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Fallguy

Thanks, Just trying to stay in the $20-30 5qt range which mostly puts me in the group III range. But noticed seams this particular one has very high PAO which makes it an extremely good value. OW-20 M1 EP seams to have a lot of PAO if MSDS is to be believed. Even the American MSDS shows 60-70% high PAO on the 0W-20

Also all M1 oils have some esters.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: turboseize

If you want a fully synthetic (i.e. PAO base stock) 0w-20, have a look at Ravenol. They have two, an API SN / ilsac gf-5 / ACEA A1/B1] and an ACEA C2. They are not cheap, a 5 litre jug will cost ~40€.

I don't think one would gain anything by paying more for Ravenol...

 

[U_S]

Originally Posted By: 4WD

Just put that oil in new 5.3L … very quiet compared to my other 5.3L … too soon to tell how long the OLM will let me run it … but easy to monitor using those naughty steering wheel buttons …

Since your OLM knows exactly what oil you are using, you may never need to change oil again.

 

[4WD]

Do you have some point to make?

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: U_S

Originally Posted By: 4WD

Just put that oil in new 5.3L … very quiet compared to my other 5.3L … too soon to tell how long the OLM will let me run it … but easy to monitor using those naughty steering wheel buttons …

Since your OLM knows exactly what oil you are using, you may never need to change oil again.

I totally ignore the OLM and just go with the 10K OCI.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Originally Posted By: U_S

Originally Posted By: 4WD

Just put that oil in new 5.3L … very quiet compared to my other 5.3L … too soon to tell how long the OLM will let me run it … but easy to monitor using those naughty steering wheel buttons …

Since your OLM knows exactly what oil you are using, you may never need to change oil again.

 

[UncleDave]

....yeah the OLM is software based not sensor based and has no idea what oil you are running it could be bacon grease for all it knows. UD