Lucas 10w30 NOACK off the charts!

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Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: lsxjon
Lucas will evaporate quickly just as Mobil 1 ext will cause rapid wear due to poor four ball wear testing. FWIW, we just got done testing some n/a drag engines and the Lucas 0-20 pro stock oil was worth 8 hp over amsoil dominator 5-20.


If the Lucas product did yield more hp, it could be a result of excessive shearing. The Amsoil Dominator oils are extremely shear stable based on the 90 cycle Kurt Orbahn test. They are PAO/POE base oils.

Actually, the power came from the viscocity and the oils heat characteristics. Amsoil's RD20 is 9.0 + which is pretty close to a 30wt. The Lucas is under 7. No doubt the Amsoil would be a better choice if it had to be run for several weekends.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd20.aspx
 
Originally Posted By: lsxjon
Lucas will evaporate quickly just as Mobil 1 ext will cause rapid wear due to poor four ball wear testing. FWIW, we just got done testing some n/a drag engines and the Lucas 0-20 pro stock oil was worth 8 hp over amsoil dominator 5-20.



This may be 100% true, but a race motor is not designed to last. winning a race is more important than longevity. I have read that Kawasaki racing team uses Teflon in their motors because it gives slightly more power, and wear is not a concern since the engines get rebuilt frequently.
 
If this is a common problem with this grade of oil, Lucas should be penalized and their license should be revoked. Pathetic.
 
I have used Lucas synthetic oil 8 times over the past years, 5W-20 in my youngest sons Ford Focus (2.0L Zetec) as well as their 5W-30 in my work Ford Explorers (both 4.0 SOHC V-6 and 4.6 V-8) and my oldest son's Subaru (2.5i).

With 5,000+ OCI I have NEVER had to top off the oil in any of these vehicles. The Explorers especially spent a lot of time in hard driving covering Southern California including much time in the lower desert with daytime temps regularly over 100 degrees.

Now the 10W-30 could be completely different, but I doubt it. No UOA but after tens of thousands of miles (work Explorers well over 100-150,00 miles) the cars still runs well. I am currently running 5W-30 in my personal Explorer. Smooth, quiet, MPG as good as other name brand synthetics and again NO TOP OFF needed.

Not scientific by any means, but in the real world, the oil did not burn off to a noticeable degree on a dipstick
 
NOACK doesn't always = oil consumption.

Could be a QC issue. I believe Amsoil's #'s.
 
BTW my MPG did not drop so if thickening was a problem it did not show up...at least in MPG. That leaves what?

According to Amsoil......

Volatility and the NOACK Test
"Why do I have to keep adding oil to my engine?"

Volatization, the methods used to test it and why AMSOIL decided customers would care.

When speaking about their vehicles, motorists may comment that their auto "uses a little oil now and then." Although many are positive that the vehicle is "using" this oil, upon further questioning they often cannot explain how or why or where exactly the oil disappeared. Is it leaking? Certainly some vehicles leak an amount of oil out of seals, gaskets and joints. But others that "use" oil have no leaks at all. So where does this oil go? The oil goes through a process known as volatization, and it can end up costing motorists more than just the price of a few quarts of oil.

Why Oil Volatizes

After crude oil has been pumped from the ground, it is sent to a refinery where it is distilled into its usable components. Distillation separates the crude into fractions based on their individual boiling ranges. The crude is heated until each fraction boils off as a vapor, and then is condensed and subjected to further processing. This boiling is essentially the same circumstance occurring during volatization in an engine, with lighter molecules vaporizing and heavier molecules remaining. In refining, this process can effectively increase the amount of similar molecular structures in each fraction, and therefore improve the stability and quality of each product refined. However, even the final petroleum-based product still consists of a wide range of hydrocarbon structures. These are sometimes referred to as a "chemical soup."

This "chemical soup" found in standard petroleum mineral oils contributes to many of their shortcomings when compared with synthetic oils. Because these molecules prevent uniformity, the oil has a tendency to deteriorate more rapidly. If lighter fractions are present in the oil, they can boil off (or volatize) which leads to oil consumption, oil thickening and a loss of performance.

Money to Burn?

Even though many motorists do not realize it, when they notice that their vehicle is "using" oil they are often witnessing the effects of volatization.

Most simply buy extra oil to replace what they assume the motor has "used" and check regularly to see if the level is low. But is adding more mineral oil necessarily the best solution to the problem? What they may in fact be doing by adding more petroleum-based mineral oil is burning up their money.

For example, if an automobile needs five quarts of mineral oil sold at $2 a quart to operate during a 3,000- mile drain interval, and the mineral oil used in the vehicle volatizes and is replaced at a rate of one quart every 1,000 miles, the automobile actually goes through 7 quarts of mineral oil during the drain interval and the motorist spends an extra $4 per oil change interval on "topping off" the levels. Considering that the average vehicle puts on 15,000 miles a year, $20 in extra oil is used to keep the oil levels sufficient.

But extra oil is not the only expense motorists face when dealing with volatization. As motor oil goes through the process of volatizing, the chemically lighter (or more volatile) portions are always the first to "boil off" in the oil. This leaves the heavier, less pumpable portions behind. This heavier oil cannot be relied upon to flow easily and quickly to all of the engine components. The end result is decreased fuel efficiency, premature component wear and deposit formation within the engine. The expense to the motorist can be quite substantial.

The Synthetic Solution

Synthetic motor oils have a natural advantage over petroleum-based oils when it comes to volatility. This is because synthetic oils are designed to have uniform chemical structures. This eliminates the extra chemicals and hydrocarbon structures (or "chemical soup") found in oils based only in mineral stock. Because they contain less lighter chemical portions to boil off, synthetic products lose less of their lubricating abilities to volatization.

AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils maintain their viscosity and provide ongoing cold start protection, fuel efficiency and reduced oil consumption.

An AMSOIL First

Surprisingly, volatility was not always considered when comparing motor oils. Few oil companies published test results measuring an oil's volatility until the 1980s, when AMSOIL became the first in the United States to publish NOACK Volatility Test results.

In the NOACK Volatility Test the oil is heated to 150°C for a specified period. Lighter oil fractions will "boil off," leading to oil consumption, oil thickening and a loss of performance. The percentage lost, by weight, due to this "boil-off" is reported.

The test has different passing requirements depending on the weight of the oil being tested. For example, 10W-30 oil in the United States may lose up to 22 percent, by weight, and still be "passable." However, with 20 percent gone, the oil suffers significant performance deficits in characteristics such as pumpability and lubricity.

AMSOIL reports these results because they enable informed consumers to understand the value offered by synthetic motor oils. Low oil volatility means reduced oil consumption rates, maximum fuel efficiency and higher levels of performance for longer periods of time.
 
Lucas site lists the flashpoint for the synt 10w-30 as 420 deg F. Doesn't add up.
 
Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
Originally Posted By: lsxjon
Lucas will evaporate quickly just as Mobil 1 ext will cause rapid wear due to poor four ball wear testing. FWIW, we just got done testing some n/a drag engines and the Lucas 0-20 pro stock oil was worth 8 hp over amsoil dominator 5-20.



As usual, this kind of input is ignored. :D


Well, he's probably right. There is usually a trade-off between efficiency and protection.
 
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