LSD vs. ULSD..Can it harm diesel engines?

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I have been reading about ULSD fuels that must be run in newer diesel engines (2007 and beyond?). My understanding is that LSD is
What are the ramifications of this new diesel fuel? Can the ULSD fuels be used in current and prior diesel engine designs? Do we need to consider additives to help with injector lubrication?

Diesel fuel experts, this curious mind wants to know. Also, I want to know if the ULSD will harm the CAT 3126B engine in my RV.

Thanks.
 
Don’t quote me as an expert, just someone who has read a lot. The lack of sulphur is not the problem, the act of removing of the sulphur is what decreases is lubricity. Biodiesel, or Diesel additives will increase the lubricity. Vegetable oil will do it too, but you need to read up some on it before pouring it in your tank, it isn’t that easy. If you use Biodiesel, you may clog some fuel filters because it will clean the junk out of tank and lines. Also, you may need to replace some of your fuel lines with more up to date materials, depending on how old the vehicle is.
 
Without digging out the info and doing research:
You are going to get the ULSD if you get from a pump which services on road vehicles. Yes, older engines can run the ULSD. However, it is an excellent idea to use a good additive for additional lubrication of pumps and injectors. There may be increased soot developed, so be checking the oil if you are doing extended drain intervals. You can continue to use the older engine oils in the older engines. If you desire, you can use the newer engine oils, but no-one seems to know just what the service life will be without doing oil analysis.
I have heard, but not seen documented, that the Europeans went to the ULSD a while back, and there was a rash of fuel pump and injector failures soon after.
 
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Thanks for the information.

My engine is a CAT 3126B, a 440 cu. in. turboed with air to air intercooler in a 26,000 lb motorhome with 50,000 miles (I know..put some miles on it!). I believe the injection system is electric but, correct me if I am wrong.

I am using Delvac 15W-40 oil. The engine runs very well on the current fuel (LSD) but, I need to prepare for the time when I do fuel with ULSD. I buy my fuel at the truck stop. The last fill (Texas) showed LSD and cetane of 45 at the pump. I assume this will change soon.

Any recommendations regarding a fuel additive to help lube the system and keep away growth?

Thanks again.

Dennis
 
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Any recommendations regarding a fuel additive to help lube the system and keep away growth?




Powerservice Diesel Kleen
Schaeffer's Diesel Treat 2000 (my #2 pick)
Stanadyne Performance Formula
Stanadyne Lubricity Formula
Primrose
Schaeffer Neutra Plus
Schaeffer Soy Shield (My #1 pick)
Howes
FPPF
Lucas


There are many others as well. Stanadyne is reputed to be very good but is very expensive. Most places I looked to buy some was between 8-11 cents per gallon at recommended dose BEFORE shipping! I bought a gallon of Schaeffer's #137SUM additive which is ultra concentrated and treats 4000 gallons. It cost $30, and at the recommended treatment ratio, costs roughly 3/4 of a CENT to use. My Dodge pickup needs just slightly over 1 oz. per 34 gal fillup! Soy Shield is a little bit more expensive but I like it as well.
 
I would also think that FP60 is a good solution as well. In addition to the excellent cleaning and fuel stability, FP60 adds additional lubricity to which should help offset any reduced lubricity of the ULSD.
 
ULSD has some goods and some bads... The sulfur compounds that were in the old 500 ppm diesel are the very hard/expensive to remove compounds... the ones that hydrodesulfurization cannot easily get to due to stearic hinderance... these are very refractory compounds such as 3,7 dimethylbenzothiophene and 4,6 dimethyldibenzothiophene. These compounds are aromatics and polyaromatics, and it was their aromatic structure that made them good lubricants. Now, that said, their aromatic structure also made them coke precursors, which caused all the soot and black smoke. This doesnt mean that an old diesel won't still make black soot and lots of particulate exhaust, but it does mean that newer diesels with tweaked combustion setups will be able to produce much less PM than their precursors, and also utilize catalyzed exhaust systems to clean up after themselves - something that wasnt possible with sulfur in the exhaust at high levels.

So, all of that said, ULSD should be a slightly better burning (if youre lucky, you might see a tiny increase in economy), but less lubricious fuel. Lets not forget that the trucing industry uses a LOT of fuel, and has their standars for fuel quality characteristics... Id venture to guess that some fuels are already additized to some extent. I always liked gulf oil's dieselect, and it gave slightly better performance and economy than other brands (this was pre-ULSD), as they claimed that they already additized it.

But additives from a corporate sense are hit or miss, so you do ned to take a preemptive stance for diesel and gasoline, IMO! FP60 is a great place to start for an all around, fleet use product. Likely MMO, Pwer service, and the Schaeffer's products are all really great.

Good luck!

JMH
 
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