LS Jr. Titled: The TRUTH About Valvoline's BOLD Engine Cleaning Claims

[Furious]

I use HPL, and I just changed my son's car and used the Valvoline restore and protect in it.

I hope you share the results both good and bad as time goes on.

Let me be clear though, HPL is a good oil and in the past as I have mentioned it is especially good for heavy duty towing and performance applications. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy on here by fanboys.

 

[CarlB]

I hope you share the results both good and bad as time goes on.

Let me be clear though, HPL is a good oil and in the past as I have mentioned it is especially good for heavy duty towing and performance applications. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy on here by fanboys.

Folks like teamsports. Just strange to choose corporations as the banners to fight for.

 

[OVERKILL]

He attributed some of the deposit buildup due to high moly of TGMO. I say it's inconclusive that the high moly caused it, but I have read high moly levels are not ideal for deposit protection. If you have the solvency built into your oil, it's probably not a concern at all.




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I can't see moly creating varnish. Piston deposits maybe? (TEOST anyone?) but I can't envision a mechanism through which moly creates varnish, given what varnish is.

 

[Sandstorm]

He attributed some of the deposit buildup due to high moly of TGMO. I say it's inconclusive that the high moly caused it, but I have read high moly levels are not ideal for deposit protection. If you have the solvency built into your oil, it's probably not a concern at all.

Not everything Lake says makes sense either. This Moly connection and the manganese connection (due to cleaning carbon), don't make sense. Maybe Dr. @MolaKule can chime in on these supposed connections...

 

[TiGeo]

I use HPL, and I just changed my son's car and used the Valvoline restore and protect in it.

I'll be doing the same on my son's older Focus next year for it's annual change. HPL user here.

 

[buster]

He said the spike in manganese is proof that it is dissolving ring deposits because it's manganese is found in octane booster found in fuel. He's saying that is proof R&P is cleaning the ring grooves. Releasing old deposits. I should have specified and it wasn't just about the varnish. So he's thinking long drains with high moly oils = deposits. TEOST does reflect that as well but if I remember correctly, it wasn't fully proven.

 

[MolaKule]

Not everything Lake says makes sense either. This Moly connection and the manganese connection (due to cleaning carbon), don't make sense. Maybe Dr. @MolaKule can chime in on these supposed connections...

@OVERKILL See post 37

Post in thread 'Valvoline R&P - Engine Builder Mag'

Dec 2, 2024

“There are some deposits that are temporary that you can wipe off with your finger, and there are others that can get very thick,” explained Dr. Michael Warholic, global technology director, Valvoline Global Operations

“What we didn’t know was before the testing that it would remove and reverse the process – that is something you can’t predict by modeling. Restore and Protect removed engine deposits. I had never seen anything like it before, and I have eight years at Valvoline and 16 years at a company that makes the additives used in oil formulation.”

Well, you can predict...

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[Sandstorm]

He said the spike in manganese is proof that it is dissolving ring deposits because it's manganese is found in octane booster found in fuel. He's saying that is proof R&P is cleaning the ring grooves. Releasing old deposits. I should have specified and it wasn't just about the varnish. So he's thinking long drains with high moly oils = deposits. TEOST does reflect that as well but if I remember correctly, it wasn't fully proven.

I have checked half a dozen of UOAs and most of them don't have that manganese spike.

 

[buster]

I have checked half a dozen of UOAs and most of them don't have that manganese spike.

He said the manganese came from nowhere else, so it could only be from rings. Not sure I buy it, but it's plausible.

He does have a lot of experience from JGR.

 

[Sandstorm]

He said the manganese came from nowhere else, so it could only be from rings. Not sure I buy it, but it's plausible.

I'm not buying that particular assessment either.

 

[Glenda W.]

Last I knew TGMO hasn’t had high moly in a while.

 

[buster]

I thought it was lower too. I've seen both.

 

[TiGeo]

I showed Mn in my last UOA after my long run including track use with HPL.

 

[TiGeo]

He said the manganese came from nowhere else, so it could only be from rings. Not sure I buy it, but it's plausible.

He does have a lot of experience from JGR.

What as the Mn level in that sample he showed? I had 9ppm in my last UOA where it's normally zip.

 

[MolaKule]

He said the manganese came from nowhere else, so it could only be from rings. Not sure I buy it, but it's plausible.

He does have a lot of experience from JGR.

The only way to know for sure is to do a metallurgical analysis of piston rings.

"Steel contains about 1% manganese, and the Manganese is efficient in boosting the quality and functionality of the steel. Manganese-steel combo contains approximately 13% of Manganese. It is extremely solid and is used in the manufacturing of rifle barrels, railroad tracks, and jail bars."

Uses of Manganese - All Uses of

Manganese is a highly metallic element which is known for its high electrical conductivity. Manganese has a nomenclature of 25 in terms of atomic number, and it is symbolized by ”Mn.” Being the fifth most plenteous metal in nature, Manganese is very reactive when mixed with other metals. For...

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https://www.mahle-aftermarket.com/media/local-media-north-america/pdfs-&-thumbnails/catalogs-and-literature/pistons-and-rings/pr-40-22.pdf

 

[buster]

What as the Mn level in that sample he showed? I had 9ppm in my last UOA where it's normally zip.

It was only 7ppm. So not very convincing.

He did said he never had manganese that high before and none of the other vehicles do as well. He also puts the same gas in. know...

 

[Urshurak776]

Every time that Lake Speed lickity split guy makes a video it creates naked bloodsport foosball here. I'm not a huge fan of his, find the click-bait and his overall delivery not to my taste. Doesn't mean I don't think he is truthful or invalid, but I don't like the titles. I guess he does it to garner clicks. It is a business and source of income for him after all. Just not my "cuppa" tea.

 

[TiGeo]

It was only 7ppm. So not very convincing.

He did said he never had manganese that high before and none of the other vehicles do as well. He also puts the same gas in. know...

This is very close to the value I had and the same, never had it in any UOA I've done over the last 6 years in that car...only after the longest HPL run I've done....

Edit - see below, I mispoke...I've had a few times...

 

[TiGeo]

Just looked through all my UOAs for the Sportwagen. For Mn, I've only have a few hits above 0/1 ppm over the 6 years worth of data I've collected, see below:

7.8k mi - 6ppm Mn, initial fill (Castrol 0W30)
73.2k mi - 24ppm Mn, this oil was in when the timing chain tensioner failed but I was not aware yet (LM Molygen 5W40 + HPL engine cleaner as I was getting ready to start running HPL)
77.3k mi - 4ppm Mn, continued to drive with failed timing chain tensioner (first run with HPL Euro 5W40)
108.4k mi - 9ppm Mn, 8 track days/8.4K OCI (longest/harshest run with HPL Euro 5W40)

Sure seems like a pattern here......cleaning oil and Mn....hmmmmmmm I think ol' LSJR is onto something here...smash that like and subscribe! I knew $800 worth of UOAs was well worth the price paid to be able to be in this discussion

Edit. The plot thickens! Whoopps...forgot that the the 73.2K data included me running Lucas octane booster which is the likely source of the Mn in that sample which turned my spark plugs orange as I remember...hahahahaha

Thread '2018 VW Sportwagen 73.2K 3.7K OCI Liquimoly Molygen 5W40 + HPL Engine Cleaner'

Feb 25, 2022

An easy post-HPDE oil change with minimal hard driving (but of course always a little!). Ran 1 qt of the High Performance Lubricants Engine Cleaner for ~1800 miles. Note I did run a bottle of Lucas octane booster which is the likely source of the magnesium and manganese that the Molygen doesn't have (maybe the lead? I ran some race fuel last go-around so maybe a remnant? Silicon is all-time low of 4 even with open-element K&N air filter. Best return yet for viscosity but this was a really short OCI with easy driving and no fuel dilution - flash point of 400 looks good. I've included my...

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[FTTSHO]

Might have to try it out on my old chevy 4.3 vortec! Its only got 110k miles. I'm the second owner, and the lifter valley was pretty nasty last time I replaced the lower intake gaskets. This oil might clean it out some.