I seriously do not understand where you going with this? What is the point you are trying to make? Kumho track rated tire is good in dry? OK, you officially reinvented the wheel.
Leased VW - FALKEN Tires Worn down to 5/32" in 11K Miles
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Where I'm going, is stating that your comment above is wrong.
It is not wrong. We are talking passenger tires, where tire has to do several thing good.
It is OK if you do not understand difference between track and passenger tire.
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What you don't seem to understand is that all tires are a compromise. There are also specialized tires. My sportscar is equipped with bespoke specialized tires from the factory. These specific tires are made by Kumho, and they are very good for the job they were designed for.
Sure, I can put on more general use tires, but they won't have the same incredible dry grip.
The point of my post was that Kumho CAN make a great tire.
And what that tire is? What car is? If you are talking max performance tire, I am not sure Kumho is first brand to go to, it is Michelin, Pirelli, Bridgestone etc. I yet to see Porsche, BMW M models, etc. on Kumho tires.
Now when it comes to compromise, you cannot make all season tire (I am talking Ecsta LX, which I got on CPO vehicle new) borderline dangerous in wet, and say: well it is compromise. Yes, tires for general purpose are compromise, but top tier brands do everything good, maybe some things exceptionally good, but not dangerous.
Anyway I threw them after 13K as three of them could not be balanced anymore.
It sounds like you need to do some research. You're talking about run-of-the-mill, all-season tires. I'm talking performance tires.
We also have two BMW M vehicles (three if you include the M Motorcycle). The two four-wheeled M vehicles have Michelin's latest performance tire. The Pilot Sport 4S. They are good, and no doubt have better wet traction, but they don't have the dry grip of the Kumho Ecsta V720 ACR.
I had some sport oriented FALKENS on a Suzuki Aerio wagon with a 5M in the mid 2000's A hot hatch in my book at the time. When new tire time came along, I found some FALKEN Ziex for cheap in discount tire direct. they were labeled as 50 series, but actually measure at 35 aspect !
Between the final drive ratio improvement of smaller diameter tires and these grippy, easy-to-read tires; this change made this car 100% more enjoyable to drive and toss around - And they rode well too.
Only downside was they did wear fast and and they would blow out in small potholes.
SO I'm not a Falken hater - except just these A/S tires. Doesn't help the car cant be aligned satisfactorily either.
Between the final drive ratio improvement of smaller diameter tires and these grippy, easy-to-read tires; this change made this car 100% more enjoyable to drive and toss around - And they rode well too.
Only downside was they did wear fast and and they would blow out in small potholes.
SO I'm not a Falken hater - except just these A/S tires. Doesn't help the car cant be aligned satisfactorily either.
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No. This is the quality of product out there. I have high exposure as I have owned over 70 cars - most new.
Most issues with Ford. Wife's had all sorts of issues too. Note here need for new halshafts in the crosstrek at 58K miles.
I also report on issue. Most people drive around completely oblivious to their car's woes. I know this by going out to lunch with co-workers. Misfiring, vibrations, odd wear on tires, exhaust leaks, suspension noises.
Being a mechanic and a mechanical engineer and designer and process engineer, I notice things.
Yes cheap tires on cheap cars don't last long - but under 15K miles is BEYOND THE PALE.
as a fellow vw owner of polish/scottish heritage from new england i am with arcographite.
seriously speaking, his viewpoint is most certainly valid, tires shouldnt be reasonably expected to wear out so fast. my cpo passat came to me with oem continentals that lasted to 42k miles of mostly highway driving. now im at 88k miles on replacement kellys that will need replacing before the winter. based on recent news reports i wont look at goodyear, dunlop, kelly or douglas replacements. i will probably keep the passat for another 20k miles so cooper or general tires seem to be a decent compromise of price/performance. a discount tire recently opened nearby so will look at dt’s value offerings too.
seriously speaking, his viewpoint is most certainly valid, tires shouldnt be reasonably expected to wear out so fast. my cpo passat came to me with oem continentals that lasted to 42k miles of mostly highway driving. now im at 88k miles on replacement kellys that will need replacing before the winter. based on recent news reports i wont look at goodyear, dunlop, kelly or douglas replacements. i will probably keep the passat for another 20k miles so cooper or general tires seem to be a decent compromise of price/performance. a discount tire recently opened nearby so will look at dt’s value offerings too.
Sure, it is track tire, not road tire. Last time I checked other are making track tire too.
There are numerous manufacturers who have good track tires designed for dry conditions. Hakook has good ones, yet I would not touch their winter tire with 10 foot pole (nor Kumho). Yokohama has, etc.
Yet, they cannot deliver road tire that performs in all disciplines equally good.
Actually, it IS a DOT legal tire. Which means it can be used on the public roads...
Yeah, and? What else does good? Hydroplaning? Wet handling? How is at 50-60 degrees temperature?
I bet it comes on numerous minivans and SUV's.
Goalpost shifting? First you said Kumho is bad ("the most dangerous tire I've ever had"), implying all of their tires are bad. 02SE pointed out that they make good track tires. You then tried to make it about multipurpose tires.
If Kumho can make good track tires then not all their tires are dangerous. yes/no?
Goalpost was moved from passenger tires to track tire, where there is very narrow required performance envelope. There are numerous good tires that do only one thing good.
And no, I would not buy Kumho track tire. Maybe they are not all bad, but mediocre at best would qualify? I did buy though their donut tire for my Toyota. That is about as far as I will go with Kumho.
You try and educate people that when they make blanket statements, they are often wrong, but some don't want to listen.
Like statement that it is good tire just bcs. it is good in dry?
Don't worry...everyone except you understands what he was saying. It's OK.
