LE8130/10W-30, 5650 miles, 2000 Tundra V-8

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2000 Toyota Tundra SR5 TRD 4X4
-engine 2UZ-FE 4.7L V-8
- oil Lubrication Engineers Monolec Ultra-Blend (born on 10/23/07) with 3 ozs Auto-Rx maintenance dose
-167,620 miles on engine (OEM stock with custom headers and exhaust)
-5650 miles on oil/3.5 months
-PureOne PL10241 oil filter
-Microgard/Wix air filter (changed mid OCI after 10K miles on MG filter)
-Shell V-Power 93 (E10) used for most of OCI when available
-MMO added to fuel for some of the OCI, then switched over to DSFM

This analysis was done by Dyson Analysis (MRT Labs). Some of the previous UOA's were done by Blackstone. I think you'll be able to tell the difference.

Sample A is LE 8130 5650/167,620 miles (with ARX maintenance dose)
Sample B is VOA of LE8130 (born on 10/23/07)
Sample C is Schaeffer's #703 10W-30 3000/156,600 miles (with ARX maintenance dose)
Sample D is O'Reilly 10W-30 conventional 2654/144,604 miles (final ARX rinse phase)
Sample E is Schaeffer's #703 10W-30 4384/138,140 miles (pre-ARX treatments)
Sample F is PP 5W-30 3125/128,042 miles
Sample G is ML Synthetic 10W-30 4811/114,973 miles
Sample H is ML Synthetic 5W-30 5080/98,960 miles

Wear metals/ A/ B/ C/ D/ E/ F/ G/ H
Iron / 5/ 2/ 4/ 3/ 6/ 3/ 1/ 5
Copper / 4/ 0/ 2/ 1/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 3
Tin / 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 2/ 1
Lead / 3/ 0/ 3/ 3/ 4/ 8/ 9/ 12
Chromium / 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 1
Nickel / 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 1/ 0/ 0/ 1
Aluminum / 0/ 0/ 1/ 1/ 3/ 1/ 1/ 2
Titanium / 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0
Silver / 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0
Manganese / NA/ 0/ 0/ 0/ NA/ 0/ 0/ 0
Additive metals
Calcium / 921/ 972/1562/2166/1463/2642/2836/2826
Magnesium / 761/ 882/ 17/ 8/ 8/ 13/ 11/ 20
Zinc /1095/1058/ 739/ 923/ 718/ 746/ 795/ 808
Phosphorus /1036/ 855/ 578/ 767/ 716/ 640/ 688/ 731
Barium / 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 6/ 0
Molybdenum / 34/ 35/ 218/ 22/ 218/ 49/ 223/ 204
Antimony / 0/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 0/ NA/ NA/ NA
Boron / 1/ 2/ 10/ 7/ 6/ 26/ 7/ 0
Contaminant metals
Silicon / 8/ 4/ 11/ 16/ 15/ 10/ 10/ 9
Sodium / 24/ 1/ 19/ 3/ 12/ 2/ 0/ 3
Potassium / 0/ 1/ 2/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0
Vanadium / 0/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 0/ NA/ NA/ NA
Physical and other tests
V40C cSt /70.3/ NA/ NA/ NA/60.8/ NA/ NA/ NA
V100C cSt /10.7/11.72/9.56/8.85/9.2/10.12/11.93/11.3
TAN /2.85/ NA/ NA/ NA/1.19/ NA/ NA/ NA
Flashpoint /300F/405F/390F/405F/300F/365F/380F/385F
Oxidation / 28/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 14/ NA/ NA/ NA
Nitration / 11/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 9/ NA/ NA/ NA
KF# / 537/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 568/ NA/ NA/ NA
TBN / 3.2/10.4/ 3.3/ NA/ 2.2/ 4.2/ NA/ 4.0
Fuel% /1.46/ NA/1.46/ Soot / 0/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 0/ NA/ NA/ NA
Glycol / 0/ NA/ NA/ NA/ 0/ NA/ NA/ NA
Antifreeze%/ NA/ 0.0/ 0.0/ 0.0/ NA/ 0.0/ 0.0/ 0.0
Water% / NA/ 0.0/ 0.0/ 0.0/ NA/ 0.0/ 0.0/ 0.0
Insolubles / NA/ 0.0/ 0.3/ 0.3/ NA/ 0.2/ 0.2/ 0.6
Visc. Index/ 142/ NA/ NA/ 131/ NA/ NA/ NA/ NA
Sulfate by / 35/ NA/ NA/ 20/ NA/ NA/ NA/ NA
products

Driving style- about 4K miles were highway, the rest were short trips around town (3 miles away).

As you all know, I can't discuss too much about what Terry says. But he was exited about the lack of any ring or piston wear. He asked me to do a run OF le8130 without any ARX, so I am now.

I think I might even be over the hump as far as abnormal bearing wear (Pb) that I was seeing before I did 2 ARX treatments. Great product that I can't say enough good things about.

The only mystery to me is where did the 24PPM of Sodium come from? I know where the extra Phosphorus came from though.
 
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LE8130 is manufactured by Lubrications Engineers, Inc. They aren't a sponsor of this site, so you'll have to Google them yourself.
 
Originally Posted By: INDYMAC

As you all know, I can't discuss too much about what Terry says. But he was exited about the lack of any ring or piston wear. He asked me to do a run OF le8130 without any ARX, so I am now.
Excellent UOA, Indymac.
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It is odd that his customers have to keep his comments secret, yet he is learning on this same customer's dime. That is, customer try the same without auto-rx and pay for analysis so I can build my knowledge base, but you can't tell anyone about any knowledge I share with you even though you paid for it.
 
Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
Originally Posted By: INDYMAC

As you all know, I can't discuss too much about what Terry says. But he was exited about the lack of any ring or piston wear. He asked me to do a run OF le8130 without any ARX, so I am now.
Excellent UOA, Indymac.
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It is odd that his customers have to keep his comments secret, yet he is learning on this same customer's dime. That is, customer try the same without auto-rx and pay for analysis so I can build my knowledge base, but you can't tell anyone about any knowledge I share with you even though you paid for it.


It is unfortunate for members of this board, but it is what it is and I have to respect my confidentiality agreement with Terry. I can understand his perspective too. Most businesses don't share proprietary intellectual knowledge/secrets with competitors and stay in business very long. He takes his job very seriously and works hard for his customers.

As far as leaving ARX out of the equation for my next analysis goes, that was just as much my idea as it was his. I've sent him 3 UOA's in the last month and all 3 vehicles had a 3oz maintenance dose of ARX with different brands/viscosity's of oils. All 3 vehicles showed little to no ring and piston wear. That's OK for my older (broken-in) vehicles, but not for my 2009 RAV4 with 10K miles. So I became just as interested as Terry as to what is going on here.

I haven't been posting UOA's lately here because there are so many already with oils that I use. But I haven't been able to find out much of anything about LE8130 UOA's, or LE products in general on this board or any other board for that matter. So I decided to offer this UOA to the handful of LE fans on this board that have been just as frustrated as me.

I tried real hard to align everything perfectly on this post. But as you can see, it turned out pretty hard to read and follow. Any ideas on how I can make my posts look more user friendly? I know we're supposed to type everything out, but this is ridiculous!
 
Indymac: Thanks for posting the LE stuff. Those would be outstanding reports for a truck with 1/4 the miles. What I notice most is how consistent the wear metals are, regardless of the oil.
 
About the numbers: type & align it all in notepad or word.
Printscreen.
Paste & edit in paint or simular.
Upload to (free) online picture host.
Post.

Are you still using the ARX in the S2000?
Ha!
 
Merry Christmas Spitfire!

Thanks for the neophyte helpers on posting too. I'll practice sometime soon and see if I can edit this post.

Yes, I have the 3ozs of ARX added to this fill of GC in the S2000. Maybe peer pressure (you) and Terry will persuade me to rethink the maintenance dose on it too. But I'm not even sure I'll stick with GC since I only have 1 quart left in my stash.
 
Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
Originally Posted By: INDYMAC

As you all know, I can't discuss too much about what Terry says. But he was exited about the lack of any ring or piston wear. He asked me to do a run OF le8130 without any ARX, so I am now.
Excellent UOA, Indymac.
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It is odd that his customers have to keep his comments secret, yet he is learning on this same customer's dime. That is, customer try the same without auto-rx and pay for analysis so I can build my knowledge base, but you can't tell anyone about any knowledge I share with you even though you paid for it.


Thats the agreement... Terry is up front about it. It's not like he springs it on you after the fact....
 
I will add the index. Thanks SpitfireS


Originally Posted By: SpitfireS


Sample A is LE 8130 5650/167,620 miles (with ARX maintenance dose)
Sample B is VOA of LE8130 (born on 10/23/07)
Sample C is Schaeffer's #703 10W-30 3000/156,600 miles (with ARX maintenance dose)
Sample D is O'Reilly 10W-30 conventional 2654/144,604 miles (final ARX rinse phase)
Sample E is Schaeffer's #703 10W-30 4384/138,140 miles (pre-ARX treatments)
Sample F is PP 5W-30 3125/128,042 miles
Sample G is ML Synthetic 10W-30 4811/114,973 miles
Sample H is ML Synthetic 5W-30 5080/98,960 miles

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There you go.
I hope I didn't mix up any numbers.

Merry Christmas!

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Man, you guys are great! I'm going to break out some Christmas cheer a give you a toast. That was big when I was in the Navy, so consider yourselves honored.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!
 
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The only mystery to me is where did the 24PPM of Sodium come from? I know where the extra Phosphorus came from though.


Did you by chance change gasoline brand or add fuel additive?
 
Yes, I switched from MMO to DSFM somewhere during this OCI. I'm not aware of any sodium in these additives.

Any ideas Molakule?
 
The 4.7L will run just about forever on any oil with reasonable maintenance.

What is your goal vs expense?
 
I guess that's a good question, but not easily answerred by me.

It's a good solid basic truck (few bells and whistles to break)with, like you say, a great engine. I was at a turning point a couple of years ago where I had to decide whether to keep it or sell it. I decided to reinvest in it after I was able to fix the tranny with ARX. Then the cost of a new timing belt, shocks, master brake cylinder, headers (2 JBA headers were cheaper than 1 OEM exhaust manifold), O2 sensors, a radiator, water pump, thermostat manifold (the shop I used decided it was OK to use DexCool in this thing), and a new starter didn't seem too bad.

So I guess my goal is to keep it possibly another 10 years. But it will have to keep running like new, or I'll lose interest and stray to a new truck.

I've been trying to keep up with the maintenance. Do you think my OCI's are too long? It hasn't been that expensive, so that's not a problem. I think the most expensive oil I've used is the LE8130 that I bought for $139/case of 24 qts. Then I guess the Schaeffers I bought for $50/case of 12 qts. The O'Reillys was the cheapest at $1.99/qt. This is an excellent dino oil that I used for ARX treatments.

The thing that concerns me the most right now is the paint. It's (white) oxidized pretty much now, and the paint chips on the hood are starting to rust. I'm thinking about giving it a new paint job for its eleventh birthday in September.
 
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