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Well, I decided to annoy the Castrol guys again this morning. Here is a direct copy of our correspondence, including my original e-mail.

-----Original Message-----

From: JW

Sent: Monday,Feb,07,2005 9:14 AM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Castrol Extended Drain Synthetic?

On my next oil change, I plan to use your German made Castrol Syntec 0w30 in my '00 VW GTI 1.8L Turbo. My research suggests it is a great product & I hope you never discontinue it.

Recently, as you already know, Mobil 1 has introduced a new "Extended Protection" synthetic oil guaranteed for 15k miles. It's retail price is only about $0.50 more per quart than the Castrol Syntec that I currently have.

As a side note, many Autozone stores are now yanking the Syntec 0w30 from their shelves to clear space for the new M1 EP oils. Will you guys at Castrol be introducing any extended drain synthetic oils in the near future?

If not, what is the maximum recommended drain interval for Castrol Syntec 0w30?

Thank you & have a great day,

JW

p.s. Please don't give me a form letter response.
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Castrol's response:

Thank you for contacting Castrol North America.

Using SYNTEC does not directly translate into extended oil change intervals for any vehicle that uses it. Some vehicle manufacturers have oil drain intervals up to 10,000 miles with their vehicles. This is only when the vehicle is equipped with an onboard diagnostics system and oil condition monitors that evaluate a multitude of factors in determining the oil drain interval.

Castrol leans toward the conservative side, and recommends following the guidelines of the manufacturer which can be found in your vehicle's manual for the specific type of driving you do.

This is important because combustion byproducts and other contaminants are still going to build up in any type or brand of motor oil. A number of factors including the engine design, type of driving, weather conditions, oil filter used, etc. determine how much buildup is created.

Today’s full-flow filters effectively remove abrasives from the entire output of the oil pump under normal conditions. However, the oil filter does not remove by-products of combustion such as acid, soot, abrasives, water and unburned fuel contaminants. All of these substances can have damaging effects on both the performance and life of your engine. Therefore, it is very important to change the oil and filter regularly.

We recommend for ultimate protection that you change your motor oil every 3,000 miles (or 3 months).
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We have tested our oil under considerably higher oil change intervals and it has performed very well. However, with the number of unknowns as mentioned above, we must err on the side of caution and reiterate that the manufacturers' recommendation be followed.

Thank you for contacting Castrol, The Technology Leader!
 
No, Castrol uses herds of words to categorically cover its parent, British Petroleum's behind. Until U.S. automakers catch up with Europe in OCI recommendatiions, any motor oil blender who openly advises going beyond the stated OCI is a sitting duck for a product liability class action law suit from disgruntled broken motor owners and their legal sharks.

[ February 07, 2005, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]
 
I was thinking the herds of words came down to "We recommend that you maximum profits ( ours ) and change your motor oil every 3,000 miles (or 3 months).

Good thing email is free. That way you don't spend more on responses like these than they're worth...
 
I am sure Castrol will see the light if Mobil-1 EP turns out to be a runaway success. They are not dumb, in fact, they were smart enough to realize that very few would know or even care about the difference between group III and IV basestocks.

Then again, there will be hoardes of retail customers who just end up buying Mobil-1 EP and running it for a 3k mile OCI simply because of the 'cheap insurance' propoganda, or the 'frequent oil changes are better for a car' myth.

Interesting times we live in, eh?
 
Did the castrol guy include the
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, or was that your addition? If they included that, well, I think that's pretty cool.....
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Well there are a lot of variables at play when your talking about extended intervals, but I credit Amsoil for pushing extended drains for so long. I think it's great what XOM is doing. For a large oil company to go out and promote that is a good thing. I also think the 15,000 mile interval is more realisitic. If it turns out these EP oils are a success, then most likely others will follow.

What bothers me with Castrol is all the different formulations, variations, supply logistics as they claim and fake synthetics that they have promoted as real synthetics. They make some decent oils, but even their data sheets are messed up. Juts tough to get any real info from them.
 
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Originally posted by edwardh1:
maybe jiffy lube bought them or does VW specify the 3000 miles ?.....

Nope....VW says 5000 mile OCI's. Like an earlier poster said, I guess Castrol is just doing a CYA with the 3mo/3k mi. thing.

I'm not going to bother e-mailing Castrol anymore. In fact, I don't think I'm going to buy anymore GC either. I've got enough GC for my next 2 oil changes. After that, my VW will be out of warranty & I'm going to start using M1 EP 10w40.

[ February 07, 2005, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: wavinwayne ]
 
I went to two AutoZones today and there was plenty of GC on the shelves. In fact, it had gone back up to its regular price of $4.99/quart. The mystery remains.
 
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If you only knew what was going on in here ....

Thanks to a Euro-connection, I managed to bug the joint, but all I'm getting is stuff like this:

"Whether induced by psychedelic substances or experiential therapy, these new concoctions of ours express and manifest our essence through the dynamic panoply of symbolic imagery. For example, of the four elements--earth, air, fire, and water. As consciousness identifies with each, it is transmuted in the crucible of chaos, alternately enflamed and cooled, blown by a tempest or whirlwind and then grounded. Jung called the symbol-forming power of the psyche the transcendent function. Requiring no interpretation or analysis, multi-sensory images facilitate transition from one set of attitudes to the next.....Hey, stubby, that was the last of our new EP formula you just knocked over"

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Elves.......
 
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Originally posted by wavinwayne:

quote:

If you only knew what was going on in here ....

Thanks to a Euro-connection, I managed to bug the joint, but all I'm getting is stuff like this:

"Whether induced by psychedelic substances or experiential therapy, these new concoctions of ours express and manifest our essence through the dynamic panoply of symbolic imagery. For example, of the four elements--earth, air, fire, and water. As consciousness identifies with each, it is transmuted in the crucible of chaos, alternately enflamed and cooled, blown by a tempest or whirlwind and then grounded. Jung called the symbol-forming power of the psyche the transcendent function. Requiring no interpretation or analysis, multi-sensory images facilitate transition from one set of attitudes to the next.....Hey, stubby, that was the last of our new EP formula you just knocked over"

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Elves.......


w2,

You have indeed exhibited Bondian Bravado and Holmesian Heroics as those are indeed words from die Fabrik...as Master Holmes might say, "Clever fellow, diabolically clever indeed"; HOWEVER, I will risk the ire of my little buddies (they HATE it when I call them that) by telling you that what you heard was a tape intended to overwhelm listening devices so that "classified" conversations might take place...all except for, unforunately, your last sentence. Stubby did indeed knock over the beaker of iridescent blue EP formula (don't expect it to retain that color when it comes to market) and he has been up 72 hours straight attempting to re-blend the formula.
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PS One more point of Elvish lore...they hate references to their being vertically challenged SO when one of them calls another "Stubby," or "Shorty," or the much despised "Shrimp," you KNOW they are very very very angry with the object of their pejorative reference.
 
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Originally posted by jsharp:
I was thinking the herds of words came down to "We recommend that you maximum profits ( ours ) and change your motor oil every 3,000 miles (or 3 months).

Good thing email is free. That way you don't spend more on responses like these than they're worth...


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Originally posted by wavinwayne:
ekpolk,

First of all, let me say that your points are completely valid.

You see, my problem is that I suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder. I have researched this GC thing to death, & now my interest in it has wained.

Now, I need a new product to obsess over.
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OCD???
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Come talk to me about that when your GC hoarde exceeds 175 quarts (about where I am at the moment). Actually, that's not quite as nuts as it sounds. With the vehicles I look after, and their consumption rate, that's only about 3.5 years worth of the stuff.
 
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Originally posted by pscholte:
PS One more point of Elvish lore...they hate references to their being vertically challenged SO when one of them calls another "Stubby," or "Shorty," or the much despised "Shrimp," you KNOW they are very very very angry with the object of their pejorative reference.

Ah, just tell em to have a few of their Fatherland's finest brews and fugitaboutit. I did
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Originally posted by shortyb:

quote:

Originally posted by pscholte:
PS One more point of Elvish lore...they hate references to their being vertically challenged SO when one of them calls another "Stubby," or "Shorty," or the much despised "Shrimp," you KNOW they are very very very angry with the object of their pejorative reference.

Ah, just tell em to have a few of their Fatherland's finest brews and fugitaboutit. I did
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shortyb,

I prefer just to let it die, because if I pass on your admirably philosophical approach, and they ask me, "And where did you get this 'expert' advice?" and I have to say, "well...ummmm...I....ummm....got it...ummm...from...ummmm...shortyb"; let's just say they won't be amused...have you ever seen a really mad Elf...I suppose not...sigh
 
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Originally posted by wavinwayne:

quote:

Originally posted by edwardh1:
maybe jiffy lube bought them or does VW specify the 3000 miles ?.....

Nope....VW says 5000 mile OCI's. Like an earlier poster said, I guess Castrol is just doing a CYA with the 3mo/3k mi. thing.

I'm not going to bother e-mailing Castrol anymore. In fact, I don't think I'm going to buy anymore GC either. I've got enough GC for my next 2 oil changes. After that, my VW will be out of warranty & I'm going to start using M1 EP 10w40.


I don't care for Castrol's attitude any more than you do. I would only offer, however, the suggestion that you not make your car's health and longevity a pawn in your expression of your distaste for Castrol, the company. I have a signficant stock of GC, and will buy more, if the price is right. The UOA results, and my last particle count, confirm that this stuff performs beautifully in my engine (Infiniti VQ35DE). I would only recommend doing comparative UOA and then pick the oil based upon performance, not adverse feelings toward Castrol. I'm planning to do this when my stock dwindles, and at that point, it will be a simple matter of "let the best oil find a home in my crankcase."
 
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