Thanks to all who have finally decided that calling our tech line to get proof of my claims, rather than bash them without merit. Anyway, as response to a previus post that stated that he was told that Drive Clean does not contain any Grp I, I can assure you that it does. When we purchase our additive pack from our suppliers, it comes pre-diluted in a Grp I base. So it is true the we only supply the Grp III base, but there is a small Grp I component to carry the additive pack. Grp I is almost always used by additive suppliers because of its solvency and dispersancy characteristics.
Kudo's to those who called Exxon/Mobil
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Kudos to you, Carpy, for tipping us off.
I took Carpy's info and advice verbatum and tweaked it for my application. He explained the difference between DCO and DCO+ was the PAO and possibly more additives. I took DCO and added my own PAO and additives in the form of Mobil 1 15w-50 because I pretty much need a heavier oil than the new DCO 5w-30. If GF-4 G-III DCO is the real deal, it really breaks down the "synthetic" price barrier that we all have been whining about for so long. Who wouldn't be all over this deal? I ran out and bought a case. Lightly additized, with it's G-III base, this oil brings up new DIY blending possibilities or use it strait. A win-win, how could you loose? Thanks Carpy.
So that means ALL oils, even pure synthetics, have some Group 1 in them?
I believe we got the info from a Mobil 1 tech a while back that Mobil 1 now uses a 100% syn additive package.
Right now I am using the new Mobil DC with a quart of the Redline.
Right now I am using the new Mobil DC with a quart of the Redline.
I stand corrected. Per my notes, M1 does have a synthetic add pack. I am not involved with sythetics. That's another side of the house, So that is the reason for my ignorance on these fluids. Sorry for the mis-info.
Also, I am not promoting these oils, just giving out the info I can without violating company proprietary information handling proceedures.
Also, I never really left, It's hunting season out here and I dont intend on being on the computer that much.
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Also, I am not promoting these oils, just giving out the info I can without violating company proprietary information handling proceedures.
Also, I never really left, It's hunting season out here and I dont intend on being on the computer that much.
[ November 05, 2004, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: carpy ]
Thanks carpy. You were out front by saying earlier you were not that familiar with the syn package.
And thanks again on discussing the DriveClean GF-4
And thanks again on discussing the DriveClean GF-4
I appreciate Carp sharing his knowledge with us. I think some here didn't absorb all he said though. MDC GF-3 was pretty decent and the GF-4 is probably improvement, but the Group III base in and of itself doesn't make it revolutionary, all things considered.
I think the MDC Plus might well be the more interesting product. I'm thinking many daily drivers might get some serious performance out of this one. I'm thinking better oci intervals and performance at a good price. It might be a better deal than DC or M1 for some.
We will see.
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I think the MDC Plus might well be the more interesting product. I'm thinking many daily drivers might get some serious performance out of this one. I'm thinking better oci intervals and performance at a good price. It might be a better deal than DC or M1 for some.
We will see.
[ November 05, 2004, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: haley10 ]
I agree. I'll probably move to DC+ once my stash of Havoline is done.quote:
Originally posted by haley10:
I think the MDC Plus might well be the more interesting product. I'm thinking many daily drivers might get some serious performance out of this one. I'm thinking better oci intervals and performance at a good price. It might be a better deal than DC or M1 for some.
We will see.
People at Mobil have repeatedly told me that beginning with the Tri-Syn formulation the Mobil 1 carrier additive was all ester. That is why the Tri-Syn bottles didn't have the disclaimer "*Exclusive of additive carrier oil" to qualify the "Fully Synthetic Motor Oil*." This disclaimer was on all earlier versions of Mobil 1, but was dropped with Tri-Syn and is not on the SuperSyn lablels.
Any other words of wisdom you would like to share with us?
I notably took carpy to task initially over what seemed like a "heroic" attempt to grab the spotlight by playing on some BITOG members' tendency grasp at straws. I haven't completely been swayed, yet, but I will categorically state I'm starting to come around. (Word of mouth from who knows whom on the other end of a phone line is not definitive for me, either - the guy's other hand may still be holding a broom handle.) And, I take the position that a full Group III base oil product at conventional oil pricing would, indeed, be revolutionary - whether Mobil chooses to call it synthetic or not, and whether there's marginal Group I content as the additive carrier or not. I'd just feel a bit more comfortable accepting this revelation if Mobil would get out front in print in their advertising about the base oil content in their latest entry level product. (It'd sure shake things up over at ChevronTexaco, too!
) UOAs should help alleviate my remaining concerns. Assuming for the sake of argument that this stuff is the real deal, Joe Average probably couldn't care less, but even marginally interested "'oyl nutz' on the cheap", such as myself, would likely flock to the product.
C'mon now. We don't want to run carpy off again, and that was not my intention with what I posted. His assertion that Mobil DC is all Group III has proven to be true. I just happen to think he is mistaken about the additive carrier for Mobil 1. (In fact, as Molakule has pointed out several times, additive makers have pretty much gone to ester carriers across the board for ALL oils, not just synthetics.)quote:
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Any other words of wisdom you would like to share with us?
Carpy, is there any chance that Mobil will make DC+ in a 5w-20 viscosity? I'd love to see that.
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