Kendall loses all Titanium

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Spoke with Haley (fluid tech) at Phillip 66 hotline today. New Kendal Liquitek has zero titanium. Waiting to see if she will email me what else is different. Liquitek should be better based on Dexos 1 Gen 2 and ISCLAC 6a certification. Flash point is 444f and pour is 50f.
 
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Spoke with Haley (fluid tech) at Phillip 66 hotline today. New Kendal Liquitek has zero titanium. Waiting to see if she will email me what else is different. Liquitek should be better based on Dexos 1 Gen 2 and ISCLAC 6a certification. Flash point is 444f and pour is 50f.

Oh no that’s not good at all
 

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Nice chart on Kendalls website.
 

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Response from Phillip 66:

Hey Jeff!





Unfortunately, there’s not anything I can share about the specific formulation changes, as you probably expected. Basically, they played around with certain anti-wear elementals until they were able to achieve better results than the previous formulation that included liquid titanium. This was in large part due to the consolidation of the GT-1 Max and GT-1 dexos1 lines, and to better prepare for the ILSAC GF-6/API SP changes. There was nothing wrong with liquid titanium, but from what I gather, it was challenging to work with in conjunction with certifications.


With so many of those required certifications in the passenger car game, there isn’t a lot of room for variation, so we can’t claim significant performance advantages over any of our competitors without a lot of research and testing. I agree that marketing is, in large part, the biggest difference. The additive package will always be unique, but again, not in a way that we can claim significant improvements. The only other option for us is gather testimonials from long-time customers and continue putting a lot of time and effort into our R&D. We do a lot of testing on our products and stay up-to-date with trends just like our competitors. Our level of support for our products is something I’ll always be proud of, since I’m a part of it, and I think we have an advantage on that front.


I’d like us to design and publish competitive benchmarking data with our passenger car line versus competitor products. We did something similar for our heavy duty diesel line recently, and it was great. Definitely helped the salespeople and us.


Feel free to reach out with any questions you have, and if we can answer them, we certainly will!





Thank you,





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And it is a perfect example of why standards and specifications matter over elemental composition. On one hand there have been a plethora of individuals on this board who have been near apoplectic about "titanium", and yet when the oil transitions to ILSAC GF-6/API SP (a documented improvement over SN and SN PLUS) guess what - the formula changes and no more titanium. Not to say that the titanium formulation was bad but it does graphically illustrate how a singular focus on certain elements (and VOA results) is grossly misguided.

Yet people persist in this venture and it will no doubt continue with the next lovefest over some other isolated element.
 
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And it is a perfect example of why standards and specifications matter over elemental composition. On one hand there have been a plethora of individuals on this board who have been near apoplectic about "titanium", and yet when the oil transitions to ILSAC GF-6/API SP (a documented improvement over SN and SN PLUS) guess what - the formula changes and no more titanium. Not to say that the titanium formulation was bad but it does graphically illustrate how a singular focus on certain elements (and VOA results) is grossly misguided.

Yet people persist in this venture and it will no doubt continue with the next lovefest over some other isolated element.

Very true. When you consider that there are approximately 15-18 components that go into a fully formulated product, it makes focusing on one particular additive useless.

There are also many ways to formulate oils using a number of different additive systems. It depends on the supplier you're using and your target goal.
 
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I like Kendall motor oil. It’s a great oil and a good price. 99cents Only Store have it for $3.49 a quart for GT-1 Max Titanium Synthetic 5W-30. They also have Phillips Shield synthetic blend for $3.49 for 5W-20, 5W-30, and 10W-30.
 
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Spoke with Haley (fluid tech) at Phillip 66 hotline today. New Kendal Liquitek has zero titanium. Waiting to see if she will email me what else is different. Liquitek should be better based on Dexos 1 Gen 2 and ISCLAC 6a certification. Flash point is 444f and pour is 50f.
The thread title is a bit confusing. How did they lose it? Bad tracking or something?
 
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