My PM380 has never had a glitch along with her brothers; PM9 and PM45.
I don't know about the CW series but PM models should be loaded via slide lock release; pulling the slide back typically causes a jam.
Kahr CW380 and S&W Bodyguard 380?
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Originally Posted By: DerbyDave
It doesn't really matter what other people think he should get. He needs to go to a range that rents guns and find one he likes and can shoot well. He may not like any of the options thrown out here
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: DerbyDave
It doesn't really matter what other people think he should get. He needs to go to a range that rents guns and find one he likes and can shoot well. He may not like any of the options thrown out here
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UPDATE
Convinced him to get a wheel gun finally after he handled some sub compact semi autos. So we have a S&W 638 ordered at the local gun store. Should be here this next week.
Wheel guns are really not front pocket guns. They stick out a little too much. A real front pocket or shirt pocket gun is my Ruger LCP or my wife's Kel-tec P32.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Wheel guns are really not front pocket guns. They stick out a little too much. A real front pocket or shirt pocket gun is my Ruger LCP or my wife's Kel-tec P32.
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Originally Posted By: CT8
I like the J frames for pocket holster carry. Much safer than semi autos in the pocked as to how the semis are designed
I carried a Smith 340 for 6 or 7 years, in a front pocket, in a pocket holster. Great gun. I occasionally still carry it, but due to ISIS and other world threats, I prefer to carry a higher capacity 9MM now.
The Speer 135+P short barrel load is a good choice. Here is a 50 rd box for not much more than the 20 rd boxes:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/speer-38-special-p-135gr-gold-dot-ammunition-50rds-53921.html
For pocket holsters, I've tried about 10 over the years and nothing compares to the AHolster, in my opinion. I own about 10 of their pocket holsters and buy nothing else.
http://shop.aholster.com/product.sc;jses...mp;categoryId=1
Most failures to load a Kahr is operator error......racking a slide on a Kahr, particularly the smaller ones, is an almost guaranteed failure-to-feed. The manuals tell you to load a Kahr (at least the PM series) requires the firearm be loaded by using the slide release lever. I have the 380, 9, and 45....all PM's and I have NEVER had a failure to feed, failure to eject, etc, etc.....the only problem I have is (sometimes) missing the target. The manuals instruct explain how to load a Kahr; deviate and problems will probably occur.
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Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
Most failures to load a Kahr is operator error......racking a slide on a Kahr, particularly the smaller ones, is an almost guaranteed failure-to-feed. The manuals tell you to load a Kahr (at least the PM series) requires the firearm be loaded by using the slide release lever. I have the 380, 9, and 45....all PM's and I have NEVER had a failure to feed, failure to eject, etc, etc.....the only problem I have is (sometimes) missing the target. The manuals instruct explain how to load a Kahr; deviate and problems will probably occur.
Having owned or shot all of the choices I'd choose the Kahr 380 first for its smooth and consistent trigger, but the OP's fathers choice im of the Smith is equally smooth and reliable.
Originally Posted By: Balrog006
Having owned or shot all of the choices I'd choose the Kahr 380 first for its smooth and consistent trigger, but the OP's fathers choice im of the Smith is equally smooth and reliable.
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Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
Most failures to load a Kahr is operator error......racking a slide on a Kahr, particularly the smaller ones, is an almost guaranteed failure-to-feed. The manuals tell you to load a Kahr (at least the PM series) requires the firearm be loaded by using the slide release lever. I have the 380, 9, and 45....all PM's and I have NEVER had a failure to feed, failure to eject, etc, etc.....the only problem I have is (sometimes) missing the target. The manuals instruct explain how to load a Kahr; deviate and problems will probably occur.
I did the 380 dance for a long time. My two favorites were the G42 and the p238. I sold the p238 and still have the Glock. I realize those were not your choices but if you're gonna stick with one of those 2 go with the BG. I had one for a good 2 years before I upgraded. The Kahr looks and feels nice but I couldn't shoot it worth a buck and it jammed on every magazine.
Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
Most failures to load a Kahr is operator error......racking a slide on a Kahr, particularly the smaller ones, is an almost guaranteed failure-to-feed. The manuals tell you to load a Kahr (at least the PM series) requires the firearm be loaded by using the slide release lever. I have the 380, 9, and 45....all PM's and I have NEVER had a failure to feed, failure to eject, etc, etc.....the only problem I have is (sometimes) missing the target. The manuals instruct explain how to load a Kahr; deviate and problems will probably occur.
Of your choices, Id go with the kahr. The rugers are too fragile (seen many LCRs and LCPs with small parts failures) and I've seen too many reliability issues with the smith 380s (not that the kahr is perfect).
Outside of your choices, I'd get a Glock 42
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You're supposed to see more problems - especially early models. Plus, Ruger outsells Kahrs 3-1 in subcompacts.
I have both brands BTW. No problems with either one. No problems with the wife's Keltec P32 either.
Now the Taurus and that subpar SA/DA trigger on the PT111 G2?..... well that's another story.
As mentioned he ended up with a 638 S&W. I had a local smith do a trigger job on it and he is very happy with it. Put a lighter rebound spring it it and slicked up the double action surfaces.
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