Job Retraining May Fall Short

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Which worker is more motivated, the one who is paid by the hour just for being there, or the one who is paid according to units produced?

Does a farmer grow food by the hour? Does a contractor get paid for *trying* to build homes or for the number of homes actually produced? How does reality reward, by the hour or by accomplishments?



This is where philosophy and tenets collide with reality, oily.

At current capabilities of productivity you can provide the societies needs employing very few people. You end up with more and more proles just servicing other proles via "trickle down" from the high productive (alleged) producers.

Again, it's easier if you just kill the unneeded people. Short of that, it's just a senseless argument of what you're going to do with them. What resources they're going to be allowed to have ..and who determines what those levels are.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear

Let's see your tract record so far, and see if you really are in motivating people to work, or just reduces tax dollar so that you can pay less taxes:

1) You said that job retraining is not working The NY times did.
2) You said that park should be closed because they are not profitable I said because they are low on the priority list of a bankrupted state.
3) You said that health care is not a right Correct.
4) You said that capping college loan for people who go into public services is not a good idea Government programs cause prices to increase.
5) You said that public school is horrible and less cost effective than private school Easily demonstrable.
6) You don't support governmental job creation Throwing money down the tubes and has been proven as of late.
7) You want fair tax based on consumption, rather than affordability or income level. What $ income do you consider rich?
8) You said cutting welfare would automatically reduce poverty and increase employment, and duck my question about whether these employments are ethical or criminal (i.e. prostitution and gang). Prostitution and gang activity is illegal in most places. Most criminals don't have a real job so paying them not to work will encourage more crime and higher costs.
9) You never answer whether it is acceptable to abandon people in need to achieve ultimate efficiency. There are these things called private charities and families.


...and you believe you are sincerely helping the nation. Like you said, simply "amazing".

You live in California, the 8th largest economy in the world, that has very high taxes, layers and layers of social programs, regulation up the wazzoo...and they are BROKE. They can't pay their own bills, have the 5th highest unemployment, and high crime. Michigan, Detroit, Washington DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, New Orleans...the list goes on and on..with similar problems for the same reasons. The only reason our national government (that oversees the largest economy on earth) isn't in the same boat (yet) is because they can print money to pay their bills.

According to your theory, these places should be utopias on earth, and yet they are the armpits of America. High taxes and social programs = poverty and crime. Happens every time, both in America, and around the globe. You have admitted that government is largely a jobs program and that the unions have bankrupted your state, and yet you want these very same people in charge of basics of people's lives? It's beyond comprehension.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: Tempest

According to your theory, these places should be utopias on earth, and yet they are the armpits of America. High taxes and social programs = poverty and crime. Happens every time, both in America, and around the globe. You have admitted that government is largely a jobs program and that the unions have bankrupted your state, and yet you want these very same people in charge of basics of people's lives? It's beyond comprehension.


Since when is California the armpit of America? How is the crime rate in Phoenix AZ with all the gun battles among Mexican gang and the low tax rate?

You forgot what really is the problem with the average citizen's problem in California: housing cost. Compare to the housing cost in the 600k for a typical 150k house, state taxes is nothing. Most home owners' property taxes are higher than their state income tax and cities like San Francisco, San Jose, Fremont, etc with high property values are doing OK (nowadays which cities aren't doing bad?)

There are problems, like you and I both agree, that union gouging for labor contracts, high drop out rate among illegal aliens' children and low income families, regulations up the arses, high health care costs, traffic jam, etc are huge issues here. Yet those aren't really fixable and are facts of life in any big cities unless you have tighter punishment, lower labor cost (not taxes, labor costs like China and India), lower health care costs, etc, can fix.

Even Thailand (a developing nation with low taxes on everything) has high crime, illegal aliens, and high unemployment. AZ won't be that good for you if you get more developed and has high population density, just check out Phoenix AZ in your backyard, the Mexican gang violence is also crazy.

 

[Tempest]

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Since when is California the armpit of America?

Certain parts are. I used to live and work in and around them.
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How is the crime rate in Phoenix AZ with all the gun battles among Mexican gang and the low tax rate.

Imported from Mexico since the Feds are happy to keep the borders porous.


Land use regulations increase housing prices in California cities:
http://urbanpolicy.berkeley.edu/pdf/QR_RegAER0406.pdf