Originally Posted By: Tempest
The very article I cited shows that government programs are pretty much ineffective at improving people's condition, yet you and Panda continue to support such wasteful projects.
You guys want people dependent on government for just about every aspect of their life (as you have clearly stated), yet you call me uncaring. Simply amazing.
Let me make my point clear, and if it is not, I'll rephrase it so it is clearer:
I do not support wasteful projects. What I merely point out is what you haven't mentioned as the consequences of removing the so called "waste" and its cost. What I mentioned above, like prostitution, war efforts with high casualties, and crime activities, have been the solutions to unemployment since the dawn of human civilizations.
What I'm trying to point out, which you accuse me of attacking you on, is your lack of insight into what would the alternative costs of your waste-less government at minimum cost would look like, if all according to your plan. You hinted that these problem would magically go away and those unemployed would magically found a job when we cutoff their lifeline.
Well, they would, as I suggested, just not into the direction you wanted or as productive to the society as you wanted them to be. They don't magically become evangelical ministers or self made millionaires, and history has shown time and time again what they are more likely to become.
Some of these "wasteful" social services are just the hidden cost of a fully functional society of high efficiency, productivity, at optimal level. Some would be unemployed, and some wouldn't make it. You can either accept the fact that we the citizens need to support some of them to a certain extend, or put them aside and let them rot to someone you prefer not to.
You always accuse people attacking you as shooting the messenger, yet I'm now the messenger that reveals what's going to happen and you accuse me of attacking you.