It’s official: America is now No. 2

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Forget about China.. What about imported cars? Plenty of quality cars to be had here, yet people feel they need xxxxxx. Just browse signatures here. We can see who really believes what they're preaching.

Can we all say double standards?


What's more "imported"? A Toyota Tundra designed and built in Texas, or a Chevy designed and built in Korea?

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: aa1986


I disagree. It's not about services vs manufacturing. It's all about knowledge and creating value and innovating.

In the global economy, the people who succeed can come from any country and work with anyone from any other country. If they participate in industries that are innovating, whether directly or indirectly, they will benefit. The countries that will succeed are those that provide the environment for that to happen. That is what Singapore is doing.

The worst thing one can advocate is to want to get manufacturing back. Funnily enough, that's what western European socialists have always said. They missed the understanding that innovation is the driver of wealth. That's why certain parts of America keep on doing well and that's why successive waves of immigration are important to the country. The areas that become nostalgic about their past industries are doomed because they're ignoring reality.


That has to be some of the worst and clueless drivel ever posted on this board.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Forget about China.. What about imported cars? Plenty of quality cars to be had here, yet people feel they need xxxxxx. Just browse signatures here. We can see who really believes what they're preaching.

Can we all say double standards?
imported cars, like the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico by people who want to annex 2/3 of this nation for their own.


Sure. How about our US cars made with foreign and domestic parts? The list goes on.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Forget about China.. What about imported cars? Plenty of quality cars to be had here, yet people feel they need xxxxxx. Just browse signatures here. We can see who really believes what they're preaching.

Can we all say double standards?


What's more "imported"? A Toyota Tundra designed and built in Texas, or a Chevy designed and built in Korea?


How about a Subaru made right here in Indiana? Our Jetta was made in Mexico IIRC.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

This is a good thing.
https://mises.org/blog/china-moves-first-place-output-its-no-big-deal

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Forget about China.. What about imported cars? Plenty of quality cars to be had here, yet people feel they need xxxxxx. Just browse signatures here. We can see who really believes what they're preaching.

Can we all say double standards?


What's more "imported"? A Toyota Tundra designed and built in Texas, or a Chevy designed and built in Korea?


How about a Subaru made right here in Indiana? Our Jetta was made in Mexico IIRC.


I suspect the Subie was designed in Japan. The Tundra was not.

 

[mrsilv04]

And the constant demand for higher and higher wages, and more benefits from union "leaders" ran some of these jobs/production to other countries as well.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
And the constant demand for higher and higher wages, and more benefits from union "leaders" ran some of these jobs/production to other countries as well.


That and unions getting involved with politics. Some people have had enough of hearing from these unions ( marching outside peoples homes etc.) If they had stuck to building cars and not politics, the might not have pushed some buyers away.

 

[johnachak]

I certainly wouldn't buy a German car either, no matter where it's made. American car with at least 70% USA parts and assembly are my minimum requirements. I certainly wouldn't have wanted my job outsourced so I take great pains not to do it to our younger people.

 

[johnachak]

Many people forgot (Or didn't care) that those unions are representing American workers that have to pay the same high; mortgages, taxes, insurance, etc. As you or I. How people expected others to work for slave wages because people in other countries do is beyond me. I worked my way up from union employee to Management in my career. I can guarantee you that if there was no union for the hourly's, We would've been able to take advantage of them. And we would've big time.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Forget about China.. What about imported cars? Plenty of quality cars to be had here, yet people feel they need xxxxxx. Just browse signatures here. We can see who really believes what they're preaching.

Can we all say double standards?


Even American vehicles are imported these days...

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: johnachak
Many people forgot (Or didn't care) that those unions are representing American workers that have to pay the same high; mortgages, taxes, insurance, etc. As you or I. How people expected others to work for slave wages because people in other countries do is beyond me. I worked my way up from union employee to Management in my career. I can guarantee you that if there was no union for the hourly's, We would've been able to take advantage of them. And we would've big time.


Sounds to me like you're parroting what the union reps say.

 

[johnachak]

Can we all say double standards? [/quote]

Even American vehicles are imported these days... [/quote]

Yes and some aren't, I buy the USA made ones. Do your research.

 

[DBMaster]

Thank the maker. Being the world's #1 economic power carries with it a certain onus and responsibility.

 

[dlundblad]

Just another recap on unions.. They had their place back in the industrial revolution before we had child labor laws, OSHA, etc. Nowadays, what do they do?

They allow slackers to continue to have a job, its socially acceptable to clock in late, have ridiculously high wages for unskilled labor?

Compare GM wages to say Toyota for assembly workers and you'll see what I mean.

 

[johnachak]

I'm not parroting anything. That is my honest experience from being on both sides of the bargaining table. You can believe anyone you want to. I know that the taxes, S.S. etc. Are going towards our economy. German, Chinese, Japanese , Korean etc. Employees in their respective countries don't Pay into our tax structure or economy.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: johnachak

Can we all say double standards?


Even American vehicles are imported these days... [/quote]

Yes and some aren't, I buy the USA made ones. Do your research. [/quote]

I take Gramp's comment to mean "some are.. some aren't." No research needs to be done.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: johnachak
I'm not parroting anything. That is my honest experience from being on both sides of the bargaining table. You can believe anyone you want to. I know that the taxes, S.S. etc. Are going towards our economy. German, Chinese, Japanese , Korean etc. Employees in their respective countries don't Pay into our tax structure or economy.


So when you were on the management side of the bargain table, were you still union? If not, what was your opinion of the union then?

 

[johnachak]

[/quote]

Yes and some aren't, I buy the USA made ones. Do your research. [/quote]

I take Gramp's comment to mean "some are.. some aren't." No research needs to be done. [/quote]

You are correct (If it is me you are referring to). All new vehicles must state where they are made and the percentage of parts and C.O.O. I simply chose American made ones that are American Brands. I also know that many American brands have off brands and factories in many countries to produce cars for those markets. I just don't buy those either. That is my personal taste.

 

[javacontour]

We had a good run after WW2 when we were the only major manufacturer still standing. Europe and Asia manufacturing was largely smoking piles of rubble.

We had pent up consumer demand while the other players in the war were rebuilding. Two generations later, those nations have rebuilt and are full blown competition in the marketplace.

We cannot coast along any more. There are others who are not willing to accept their status quo, while many here in the US think that a market where there is no real competition is some sort of devine right.

It's not.

One can complain about how "unfair" it is. How fair was it when we were the only game on the planet? These things go in cycles, and it seems we are currently on a downhill section of the cycle.

Since you have little or no control over what others do, what is your plan to take advantage of the situation? That's all you control, your response to circumstances.