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Is This Stuff Really Better Than ZDDP?
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Originally Posted By: hate2work
Bounty, I found this old thread dealing with ZDDP, maybe something in there will help you...someone in there was talking about what he used in his bike.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=984552
Thanks, interesting but I was actually looking for a reasonably priced additive to restore the same performance oils had prior to their castration as opposed to going out and spending $15/quart for new oil when I have multiple cases of very good oil (Castrol GTX, Valvoline Synpower, Formula Shell, Quaker Synthetic, etc...) which will work fine except I really don't want to run without the ZDDP protection.
Red Line Break In Oil additive will boost the ZDDP levels. 1 OZ/ qt of oil will give it a nice kick. It runs about $13/bottle and it will treat 3 5 qt sumps. Add it to your stash, for more info contact Red Line via phone, they'll tell you all you need to know.
At the 1OZ/qt dose your cat conv will be fine. Honestly in a sound engine not burning oil the cat shouldn't be an issue.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Bounty, I found this old thread dealing with ZDDP, maybe something in there will help you...someone in there was talking about what he used in his bike.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=984552
Thanks, interesting but I was actually looking for a reasonably priced additive to restore the same performance oils had prior to their castration as opposed to going out and spending $15/quart for new oil when I have multiple cases of very good oil (Castrol GTX, Valvoline Synpower, Formula Shell, Quaker Synthetic, etc...) which will work fine except I really don't want to run without the ZDDP protection.
Red Line Break In Oil additive will boost the ZDDP levels. 1 OZ/ qt of oil will give it a nice kick. It runs about $13/bottle and it will treat 3 5 qt sumps. Add it to your stash, for more info contact Red Line via phone, they'll tell you all you need to know.
At the 1OZ/qt dose your cat conv will be fine. Honestly in a sound engine not burning oil the cat shouldn't be an issue.
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Here you go-
Red Line’s new Engine Oil Break-In Additive (Part #81403, MSRP $12.95) provides conventional motor oils with antiwear additives like zinc and phosphorus (ZDDP) necessary to protect against camshaft and valvetrain damage on break-in.
This is especially important in flat-tappet engines where bigger camshafts grinds and higher valve spring pressures are now popular. This additive is designed to allow pistons rings to seat properly, while allowing other engines components to avoid excessive wear.
A 16oz bottle treats up to 12 quarts of motor oil, so in many cases one bottle can serve two different engines. This product can also be used in conventional and synthetic oils during regular operation, providing an extra package of protection otherwise not found in most motor oils.
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?categoryID=2
Red Line’s new Engine Oil Break-In Additive (Part #81403, MSRP $12.95) provides conventional motor oils with antiwear additives like zinc and phosphorus (ZDDP) necessary to protect against camshaft and valvetrain damage on break-in.
This is especially important in flat-tappet engines where bigger camshafts grinds and higher valve spring pressures are now popular. This additive is designed to allow pistons rings to seat properly, while allowing other engines components to avoid excessive wear.
A 16oz bottle treats up to 12 quarts of motor oil, so in many cases one bottle can serve two different engines. This product can also be used in conventional and synthetic oils during regular operation, providing an extra package of protection otherwise not found in most motor oils.
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?categoryID=2
Careful not to go too high on the zinc additive. My TB zinc plus would raise the ppm to more than 5000 if I used the whole bottle. Surely that would upset the oil's own additive package and overwhelm the detergency. It says to drain it out after 1000 mile break-in for that reason. I use only a calculated amount to raise the zddp content into the 1100-1300 ppm range. I recommend contacting the maker to find out what the zddp content is of an additive and making your own calculations from that if you're going to use any additive at all.
According to a reply from Lucas, the TB Zinc Plus is 38,500 ppm ZDDP.
I also contacted Redline about their break-in additive and they told me it was 17,000 ppm ZDDP.
According to a reply from Lucas, the TB Zinc Plus is 38,500 ppm ZDDP.
I also contacted Redline about their break-in additive and they told me it was 17,000 ppm ZDDP.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Here you go-
Red Line’s new Engine Oil Break-In Additive (Part #81403, MSRP $12.95) provides conventional motor oils with antiwear additives like zinc and phosphorus (ZDDP) necessary to protect against camshaft and valvetrain damage on break-in.
This is especially important in flat-tappet engines where bigger camshafts grinds and higher valve spring pressures are now popular. This additive is designed to allow pistons rings to seat properly, while allowing other engines components to avoid excessive wear.
A 16oz bottle treats up to 12 quarts of motor oil, so in many cases one bottle can serve two different engines. This product can also be used in conventional and synthetic oils during regular operation, providing an extra package of protection otherwise not found in most motor oils.
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?categoryID=2
That's the stuff I'm talking about. 1OZ/qt of oil should give you an nice ZDDP boost.
Here you go-
Red Line’s new Engine Oil Break-In Additive (Part #81403, MSRP $12.95) provides conventional motor oils with antiwear additives like zinc and phosphorus (ZDDP) necessary to protect against camshaft and valvetrain damage on break-in.
This is especially important in flat-tappet engines where bigger camshafts grinds and higher valve spring pressures are now popular. This additive is designed to allow pistons rings to seat properly, while allowing other engines components to avoid excessive wear.
A 16oz bottle treats up to 12 quarts of motor oil, so in many cases one bottle can serve two different engines. This product can also be used in conventional and synthetic oils during regular operation, providing an extra package of protection otherwise not found in most motor oils.
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?categoryID=2
That's the stuff I'm talking about. 1OZ/qt of oil should give you an nice ZDDP boost.
lubegard's engine protectant is another one to use it is a friction modifier
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Not a ZDDP add, but the Schaeffers #132 is a nice product too.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: bountyh
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Bounty, I found this old thread dealing with ZDDP, maybe something in there will help you...someone in there was talking about what he used in his bike.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=984552
Thanks, interesting but I was actually looking for a reasonably priced additive to restore the same performance oils had prior to their castration as opposed to going out and spending $15/quart for new oil when I have multiple cases of very good oil (Castrol GTX, Valvoline Synpower, Formula Shell, Quaker Synthetic, etc...) which will work fine except I really don't want to run without the ZDDP protection.
Red Line Break In Oil additive will boost the ZDDP levels. 1 OZ/ qt of oil will give it a nice kick.
Depends how you define a nice kick. From another source about Redline zinc additive:
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otakar wrote:
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Here is another source which is a bit cheaper, because one 16oz bottle treats 12 quarts.http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?productID=122&subCategoryID=1&categoryID=1
Interesting. I did a search and found a post about the Redline additive on another forum saying this:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1149831
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i already taked with dave: zinc 9000ppm and phos 7500 ppm and no moly
For the concentration in the 16 oz bottle.
Assuming you dumped the whole bottle into five quarts of oil, the resulting Zinc levels would be about 900 ppm. I'm not really sure how I could see that one 16 oz bottle treating 12 quarts.
The full 16 ounces in five quarts gives a 900 ppm lift, which means one ounce per quart (a five ounce add) bumps it about a 300 ppm bump. Pretty negligible.
Originally Posted By: bountyh
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Bounty, I found this old thread dealing with ZDDP, maybe something in there will help you...someone in there was talking about what he used in his bike.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=984552
Thanks, interesting but I was actually looking for a reasonably priced additive to restore the same performance oils had prior to their castration as opposed to going out and spending $15/quart for new oil when I have multiple cases of very good oil (Castrol GTX, Valvoline Synpower, Formula Shell, Quaker Synthetic, etc...) which will work fine except I really don't want to run without the ZDDP protection.
Red Line Break In Oil additive will boost the ZDDP levels. 1 OZ/ qt of oil will give it a nice kick.
Depends how you define a nice kick. From another source about Redline zinc additive:
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otakar wrote:
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Here is another source which is a bit cheaper, because one 16oz bottle treats 12 quarts.http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?productID=122&subCategoryID=1&categoryID=1
Interesting. I did a search and found a post about the Redline additive on another forum saying this:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1149831
Quote:
i already taked with dave: zinc 9000ppm and phos 7500 ppm and no moly
For the concentration in the 16 oz bottle.
Assuming you dumped the whole bottle into five quarts of oil, the resulting Zinc levels would be about 900 ppm. I'm not really sure how I could see that one 16 oz bottle treating 12 quarts.
The full 16 ounces in five quarts gives a 900 ppm lift, which means one ounce per quart (a five ounce add) bumps it about a 300 ppm bump. Pretty negligible.
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Originally Posted By: bountyh
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: bountyh
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Bounty, I found this old thread dealing with ZDDP, maybe something in there will help you...someone in there was talking about what he used in his bike.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=984552
Thanks, interesting but I was actually looking for a reasonably priced additive to restore the same performance oils had prior to their castration as opposed to going out and spending $15/quart for new oil when I have multiple cases of very good oil (Castrol GTX, Valvoline Synpower, Formula Shell, Quaker Synthetic, etc...) which will work fine except I really don't want to run without the ZDDP protection.
Red Line Break In Oil additive will boost the ZDDP levels. 1 OZ/ qt of oil will give it a nice kick.
Depends how you define a nice kick. From another source about Redline zinc additive:
Quote:
otakar wrote:
Quote:
Here is another source which is a bit cheaper, because one 16oz bottle treats 12 quarts.http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?productID=122&subCategoryID=1&categoryID=1
Interesting. I did a search and found a post about the Redline additive on another forum saying this:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1149831
Quote:
i already taked with dave: zinc 9000ppm and phos 7500 ppm and no moly
For the concentration in the 16 oz bottle.
Assuming you dumped the whole bottle into five quarts of oil, the resulting Zinc levels would be about 900 ppm. I'm not really sure how I could see that one 16 oz bottle treating 12 quarts.
The full 16 ounces in five quarts gives a 900 ppm lift, which means one ounce per quart (a five ounce add) bumps it about a 300 ppm bump. Pretty negligible.
I had run some numbers with a well respected BITOG member, and here is what he came up with:
One ounce per quart is going to boost a typical SM (about 700 ppm phos) to 1275 ppm. That is by no means extreme. That is lower than advertized levels for Valvoline VR-1.
I called Redline myself and confirmed those numbers.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: bountyh
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Bounty, I found this old thread dealing with ZDDP, maybe something in there will help you...someone in there was talking about what he used in his bike.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=984552
Thanks, interesting but I was actually looking for a reasonably priced additive to restore the same performance oils had prior to their castration as opposed to going out and spending $15/quart for new oil when I have multiple cases of very good oil (Castrol GTX, Valvoline Synpower, Formula Shell, Quaker Synthetic, etc...) which will work fine except I really don't want to run without the ZDDP protection.
Red Line Break In Oil additive will boost the ZDDP levels. 1 OZ/ qt of oil will give it a nice kick.
Depends how you define a nice kick. From another source about Redline zinc additive:
Quote:
otakar wrote:
Quote:
Here is another source which is a bit cheaper, because one 16oz bottle treats 12 quarts.http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?productID=122&subCategoryID=1&categoryID=1
Interesting. I did a search and found a post about the Redline additive on another forum saying this:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1149831
Quote:
i already taked with dave: zinc 9000ppm and phos 7500 ppm and no moly
For the concentration in the 16 oz bottle.
Assuming you dumped the whole bottle into five quarts of oil, the resulting Zinc levels would be about 900 ppm. I'm not really sure how I could see that one 16 oz bottle treating 12 quarts.
The full 16 ounces in five quarts gives a 900 ppm lift, which means one ounce per quart (a five ounce add) bumps it about a 300 ppm bump. Pretty negligible.
I had run some numbers with a well respected BITOG member, and here is what he came up with:
One ounce per quart is going to boost a typical SM (about 700 ppm phos) to 1275 ppm. That is by no means extreme. That is lower than advertized levels for Valvoline VR-1.
I called Redline myself and confirmed those numbers.
I have a few bottles of the once-popular SLOB laying around. I remember most people saying they would use about half a bottle per oil change to boost the zinc and phosphorous levels in an SM PCMO. I think this stuff is long gone from store shelves though.
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