Gday all. Hope youre up for a read.
virgin poster here. Anyway the one and only reason for me coming here is to hopefully get some experienced opinion on a no-name oil I've started using, and telling everyone I know about.
PM Lubricants (www.pmlubricants.com.au) produce their own oil, hydraulic fluids, greases, fuel additive etc. They are a small family business doing their own research & develop. and selling only out of the one premesis. They do produce a synthetic oil, but most of them are marketed as highly refined mineral.
started with their fuel additive that was given to me, I was so surprised at the results I wanted to find out more. I started using their oil in my 1999 VT Commodore V6 and noticed a difference- slightly more power but more than anything she was quieter, and far smoother with hydraulic lifter rattle eventually dissappearing. Changed to their Auto tranny fluid (Dex II) with a full service and pump through and felt no great difference. Just changed a little more predictable. I'm finding the VT gets better with time- she just has the torque to pull from low (still no V8) but enough that you dont have to rev it if you want to take it easy
The big difference was my bike. 2003 zx6r changed from Motul synthetic to PM lubricants. The first,most obvious thing was the change in sound. Just sounded slightly different. when I took her out I found the an incredible loss of vibration through the bars, and amazing increase in torque. This thing just pulled from 3000-4000 revs like it usually pulls from 7000. For a slightly thinner oil, it's using bugger all oil compared to before as well. at a guess, once a week (450 k's) i'd put in i suppose about 250ml-400ml. I just topped up yesterday (2nd sumpfull) about 250 ml where I haven't topped up for probly 3 weeks at least. i think theres better economy but I'm interested in power mostly.
My mates have started using it. They are noticing-
better fuel economy- we took note of a mates VX series II trip computer before changing 2.0 l/hr after 1.8 crept down to 1.6 l/hr
more power/ torque
smoother
quieter
use less oil
PM also have a 'monitor'- (dialectric measurer?) regularly (for free) they take a sample of motor/ gearbox oil or fluid and test it. I'm getting around 25 000 k's in the VT (with a few short shop trips in there) and getting currently 10 000 in the bike, on their old oil (which wasnt meant to last long) What really impresses me, is when they get a reasonably high reading I just say I'll change it just to be safe. They keep telling me not to and lecturing me on why the oil is still fine and I can get another 10 000 k's out of it...i've never had a company tell me not to buy their product before. They said I can, but they generally say not to bother getting lab analasys done unless there is an unusually high reading (this machine detects metals as well as fuel, water etc) as they say their experience is that if the machine doesnt pick it up, it isnt there.....
In short, I'm finding it hard to believe that just changing oil (from well known, high price brands) can make such a difference, and I haven't yet found someone who can objectively and honestly say 'yes' or 'no'.
I can get tech data sheets, some comparison analasies, a few other bits and pieces, but I was really hoping someone could shed some light on their products with a constructive eye.
Please, let me know if you are keen to help.
Cheers
Brad
virgin poster here. Anyway the one and only reason for me coming here is to hopefully get some experienced opinion on a no-name oil I've started using, and telling everyone I know about.
PM Lubricants (www.pmlubricants.com.au) produce their own oil, hydraulic fluids, greases, fuel additive etc. They are a small family business doing their own research & develop. and selling only out of the one premesis. They do produce a synthetic oil, but most of them are marketed as highly refined mineral.
started with their fuel additive that was given to me, I was so surprised at the results I wanted to find out more. I started using their oil in my 1999 VT Commodore V6 and noticed a difference- slightly more power but more than anything she was quieter, and far smoother with hydraulic lifter rattle eventually dissappearing. Changed to their Auto tranny fluid (Dex II) with a full service and pump through and felt no great difference. Just changed a little more predictable. I'm finding the VT gets better with time- she just has the torque to pull from low (still no V8) but enough that you dont have to rev it if you want to take it easy
The big difference was my bike. 2003 zx6r changed from Motul synthetic to PM lubricants. The first,most obvious thing was the change in sound. Just sounded slightly different. when I took her out I found the an incredible loss of vibration through the bars, and amazing increase in torque. This thing just pulled from 3000-4000 revs like it usually pulls from 7000. For a slightly thinner oil, it's using bugger all oil compared to before as well. at a guess, once a week (450 k's) i'd put in i suppose about 250ml-400ml. I just topped up yesterday (2nd sumpfull) about 250 ml where I haven't topped up for probly 3 weeks at least. i think theres better economy but I'm interested in power mostly.
My mates have started using it. They are noticing-
better fuel economy- we took note of a mates VX series II trip computer before changing 2.0 l/hr after 1.8 crept down to 1.6 l/hr
more power/ torque
smoother
quieter
use less oil
PM also have a 'monitor'- (dialectric measurer?) regularly (for free) they take a sample of motor/ gearbox oil or fluid and test it. I'm getting around 25 000 k's in the VT (with a few short shop trips in there) and getting currently 10 000 in the bike, on their old oil (which wasnt meant to last long) What really impresses me, is when they get a reasonably high reading I just say I'll change it just to be safe. They keep telling me not to and lecturing me on why the oil is still fine and I can get another 10 000 k's out of it...i've never had a company tell me not to buy their product before. They said I can, but they generally say not to bother getting lab analasys done unless there is an unusually high reading (this machine detects metals as well as fuel, water etc) as they say their experience is that if the machine doesnt pick it up, it isnt there.....
In short, I'm finding it hard to believe that just changing oil (from well known, high price brands) can make such a difference, and I haven't yet found someone who can objectively and honestly say 'yes' or 'no'.
I can get tech data sheets, some comparison analasies, a few other bits and pieces, but I was really hoping someone could shed some light on their products with a constructive eye.
Please, let me know if you are keen to help.
Cheers
Brad
