is mazda fz really a unique ATF or just rebranded toyota ws ?

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I have a Skyactive Mazda 3 that has fw6ael which is very similar transmission to Toyota U660
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I have … questions
1- are ws , fz and dexron vi interchangeable ?
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I asked the redline: “At the moment we do not recommend crossing the Mazda ATF FZ as it uses a unique additive package. D6ATF is a suitable replacement for low viscosity WS ATF, closer to the upper end of the viscosity range at operating temperature, as we usually place our high performance products.
The additive package was better suited to Japanese friction materials than the original D6ATF, for a short time D4ATF was recommended for WS ATF applications.

I contacted idemitsu about multi atf, and here is the answer, "
We understand the viscosity of the Toyota ATF WS and Mazda ATF FZ. However, friction characteristics, and the oil's ability to provide fuel economy vary.
We regret to inform you that we do not have the transmission fluid your Mazda 3 that meets the Mazda ATF FZ specification.
We recommend that you use Mazda ATF FZ in your vehicle for the best protection and optimal performance. "

I contacted amsoil because Signature Series Fuel - Efficient on the international website they did not write that fz is compatible, but fz is listed on the US website !!

these company recommend to use there 5.4cst for Toyota ws but not fz : amsoil Fuel-Efficien on the international website only , redline d6 , Hyundai XTeer ATF SP 4 , starkraft atf vi , neste multi atf , idemitsu tls-lv , adrifol 8HP Fluid (grün) , Petronas Tutela Multi ATF 700 in the previous edition , Total Fluidmatic LV MV except in thailand


2- who is the target consumer of 7.2 viscosity since these companies recommend it for fz : for a short period of time D4ATF was recommended for T-WS

Kixx multi but didnt recommend it when i contact them , castrol atf multivehicle , ngn Universal ATF ,rolf ATF Multivehicle ,unitedATF MV-99 ,aisin ATF AFW+ , idemitsu atf , s-oil 7 ، shell spirax-s5-atf-x does not recommend it to T-ws , castrol transmax atf z ,

summary of People opinions to use 7.2 cst instead of 5.8 cst :1- more protection 2- felt improved shifting 3- aisin is the manufacturer of the transmision 4- no one has been hurt from using multi atf 5- viscosity of 6.2 is the sweet spot between protection and fuel economy

People opinions links:
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3- Why do these 7.2 cst are not recommended for fz : ZIC ATF Multi HT, Eni Rotra ATF Multi , liqui moly 1200 , g-box Far East свежее, Mobil ATF 3309 , Fuchs Titan ATF 4400 , Lukoil ATF Synth Asia , TCL ATF T-IV , ,Wolf Vitaltech Multivehicle ATF , Petro-Canada DuraDrive MV Synthetic ATF , Total Fluide XLD FE , GToil GT ATF Type T-IV , valvoline import , PENNZOIL® AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID , PENNZOIL PLATINUM HIGH MILEAGE ATF ADDINOL ATF XN 5 , ADRIFÖL ATF 3309 / ADRIFÖL Dexron III H


4- are these the only reasons that make low viscosity multi atf better than 7.2 cst? : 1- has higher cold brookfield 2- 7.2 cst doesn't match car manufacture fluid who program the transmission and dialed the tourqe converter 3- multi atf companies will benefit more to marketing one bottle and easier logistics 4- to satisfy CAFE fuel economy regulations 5- shorter warm up time

Even Though 1- afton doesn't mention fz in there additives 2- honda dw-1 does not match chemically to most of multi atf 3- non of these multi atf has official approval from mazda 4- its only a recommendation without solid guarantee
5- some of multi atf has half of oem fluid viscosity but they claim the higher viscosity index will make for it

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Companies made specific fz but not approved by mazda : adrifol atf fz , ravenol fz , aisin fz 2

sold by mazda dealer : australia by castrol , europe by total , middle east , and usa by idemitsu

Companies merge fz , dexron vi, ws q8oil auto mv , ADDINOL ATF XN 6 , 7 , nulon LV , valvoline maxlife multi ، kixx vi


4- when miles / years to change fz which is group iii partially by drain plug or easier by extraction from dipstick (4.2 to 5 quarts )
-when to change it completely(8.24 quarts) : partially by extraction from dipstick (4.2 quarts )then after 5k miles from removing the atf pan and filter 5 quarts ?
-i live in dry environment with an average of 72F in winter and 109.4 F in summer, my average transmission temperature is 194 f ,
- helpful used fluid analysis from american 2 3 , russian ,
In our environment, major transmission issues start to appear for some mazda viechles if the fluid hasn't been change for 118k miles or 200k miles , rough shifting appear for some after 44k miles of old atf and got 70% success rate after transmission update
- helpful resources about changing interval 1 2 3 4 , aisin afw+ fully synthetic recommended complete atf flush every 20k miles

5- which one SHOULD I use and why?

Prices in my country mazda fz 25 US $ a liter , T-WS 9.5$ a liter, amsoil 15.7$ a quart
 
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Fz because there is no direct data that suggest the others are suitable. If a third party AF were acceptable I am sure it would be listed at least a suitable for top-up.
 

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Fz because there is no direct data that suggest the others are suitable. If a third party AF were acceptable I am sure it would be listed at least a suitable for top-up.
thanks for replying
i think most of Japanese ATF has no direct data , where can i search for it ?
 
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I believe Rotary 13B is in Russia, and he's trying to tell us Mazda FZ ATF is really expensive there. The stuff is around $16–$18 per quart (~1 liter) here in the US, so it's not that much cheaper here.

Idemitsu makes the factory-fill FZ ATF for Mazda.

I think you can safely use the Ravenol or Aisin blue FZ fluid, as they were designed to meet the Mazda spec. Do not use any red ATF or any "universal" fluid.
 

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I believe Rotary 13B is in Russia, and he's trying to tell us Mazda FZ ATF is really expensive there. The stuff is around $16–$18 per quart (~1 liter) here in the US, so it's not that much cheaper here.

Idemitsu makes the factory-fill FZ ATF for Mazda.

I think you can safely use the Ravenol or Aisin blue FZ fluid, as they were designed to meet the Mazda spec. Do not use any red ATF or any "universal" fluid.
Russia deosnt have the weather i have mentioned , i live 2200 air miles to the south of Moscow:ROFLMAO:
and yes indonisian made fz is more expensive than
1- imported PAO +group v+ easter
2- japanese made T-WS which is group ii\iii
 
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update
mazda has released new atf for same transmission
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Crack 60-70% (64742-55-8) + PAO 10-20% (68649-11-6) + PAO 10-20% (151006-58-5), PP <-50 °, FP 164 ° (COC ), viscosity at 40 ° 15.11
deos it mean that minimum transmission protection is 4.37 cst?

2- companies recommend to use it for Toyota ws but not fz ardeca matic pro
3- Companies merge fz , dexron vi, ws ardeca matic -dex6 , ardeca matic s-41
 
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Mazda A7 is colored red and Mazda says NOT to use it in place of blue FZ ATF. Rotary 13B, use only blue FZ in your Mazda.

No new Mazda sold in North America uses A7 yet, because the Skyactiv-X drivetrain has not been brought here.
 

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Mazda A7 is colored red and Mazda says NOT to use it in place of blue FZ ATF. Rotary 13B, use only blue FZ in your Mazda.

No new Mazda sold in North America uses A7 yet, because the Skyactiv-X drivetrain has not been brought here.
i agree , but skyactive x has 6 speed and fluid capacity as the transmision found in skyactiv -g
i think it has the same transmission but they use A7 for better fuel economy
i wont use it , iam just glad that the transmission could work with 4.37 cst viscosity
 
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