Interesting cold pour video
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And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
Very well stated Jayg
Originally Posted By: jayg
And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
OK, just have to instruct my ski condo board to install a plug in our parking lot for my block heater.
I'm sure they'll get right on that.
I can't turn the sound on right now, but it looks like a weird choice of 5W30 oils...Supertech conventional, M1 HM, RP, and some flavor of Amsoil I couldn't make out. I would guess the Amsoil was not SS or it would have smoked the M1.
They should have used Supertech synthetic to be fair (unless that's what's shown and I can't read correctly).
I have to admit that this video made me look into RP and figure out what CCS viscosity was...it's certainly not very impressive for a 5W30 synthetic, at least to my mind. I was initially attracted to it because I read it was a "real" synthetic!
And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
OK, just have to instruct my ski condo board to install a plug in our parking lot for my block heater.
I'm sure they'll get right on that.
I can't turn the sound on right now, but it looks like a weird choice of 5W30 oils...Supertech conventional, M1 HM, RP, and some flavor of Amsoil I couldn't make out. I would guess the Amsoil was not SS or it would have smoked the M1.
They should have used Supertech synthetic to be fair (unless that's what's shown and I can't read correctly).
I have to admit that this video made me look into RP and figure out what CCS viscosity was...it's certainly not very impressive for a 5W30 synthetic, at least to my mind. I was initially attracted to it because I read it was a "real" synthetic!
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I still don't get why people insist on testing "5W" 30s at -40C, when there's "0W" 30s that are actually RATED for that temperature...
As I've mentioned before, I stuck with 5W30 due to warranty concerns. I picked 5W30s with good CCS viscosity for the grade.
I am out of warranty in less than 5kmiles and am looking for a 0W30 or 0W40 with low calcium, a low NOACK loss, and easy availability in the US...still looking!!!
As for actually running the test this way...yeah, maybe a bit silly. Especially picking one conventional oil if my eyes are working. I have learned, partly through a little prodding from you, that pour point does not correlate well to CCS and MRV results. Tks man!
I still don't get why people insist on testing "5W" 30s at -40C, when there's "0W" 30s that are actually RATED for that temperature...
As I've mentioned before, I stuck with 5W30 due to warranty concerns. I picked 5W30s with good CCS viscosity for the grade.
I am out of warranty in less than 5kmiles and am looking for a 0W30 or 0W40 with low calcium, a low NOACK loss, and easy availability in the US...still looking!!!
As for actually running the test this way...yeah, maybe a bit silly. Especially picking one conventional oil if my eyes are working. I have learned, partly through a little prodding from you, that pour point does not correlate well to CCS and MRV results. Tks man!
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: jayg
And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
OK, just have to instruct my ski condo board to install a plug in our parking lot for my block heater.
I'm sure they'll get right on that.
I can't turn the sound on right now, but it looks like a weird choice of 5W30 oils...Supertech conventional, M1 HM, RP, and some flavor of Amsoil I couldn't make out. I would guess the Amsoil was not SS or it would have smoked the M1.
They should have used Supertech synthetic to be fair (unless that's what's shown and I can't read correctly).
I have to admit that this video made me look into RP and figure out what CCS viscosity was...it's certainly not very impressive for a 5W30 synthetic, at least to my mind. I was initially attracted to it because I read it was a "real" synthetic!
Oh I'm sure it gets to -40 F at your ski condo.
You don't have plugs there because you don't need them.
Originally Posted By: jayg
And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
OK, just have to instruct my ski condo board to install a plug in our parking lot for my block heater.
I'm sure they'll get right on that.
I can't turn the sound on right now, but it looks like a weird choice of 5W30 oils...Supertech conventional, M1 HM, RP, and some flavor of Amsoil I couldn't make out. I would guess the Amsoil was not SS or it would have smoked the M1.
They should have used Supertech synthetic to be fair (unless that's what's shown and I can't read correctly).
I have to admit that this video made me look into RP and figure out what CCS viscosity was...it's certainly not very impressive for a 5W30 synthetic, at least to my mind. I was initially attracted to it because I read it was a "real" synthetic!
Oh I'm sure it gets to -40 F at your ski condo.
You don't have plugs there because you don't need them.
Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: jayg
And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
OK, just have to instruct my ski condo board to install a plug in our parking lot for my block heater.
I'm sure they'll get right on that.
I can't turn the sound on right now, but it looks like a weird choice of 5W30 oils...Supertech conventional, M1 HM, RP, and some flavor of Amsoil I couldn't make out. I would guess the Amsoil was not SS or it would have smoked the M1.
They should have used Supertech synthetic to be fair (unless that's what's shown and I can't read correctly).
I have to admit that this video made me look into RP and figure out what CCS viscosity was...it's certainly not very impressive for a 5W30 synthetic, at least to my mind. I was initially attracted to it because I read it was a "real" synthetic!
Oh I'm sure it gets to -40 F at your ski condo.
You don't have plugs there because you don't need them.
I looked it up, the record low is -38F...the worst I've seen is -30F, though. The mountain claimed it was -25F when the lifts starting spinning a couple of mornings when I was there, only did 1 run at a time between lodge breaks until it warmed up a little. They were totally still days, probably would have delayed opening if there was any wind to speak of.
I don't need plugs because I run a 5W30 synth with good CCS viscosity for its grade... ;^)
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: jayg
And yet I run 10w40 HM in my truck year round with temps than can get lower than that. No matter what oil you have, PLUG IT IN when it gets that cold.
OK, just have to instruct my ski condo board to install a plug in our parking lot for my block heater.
I'm sure they'll get right on that.
I can't turn the sound on right now, but it looks like a weird choice of 5W30 oils...Supertech conventional, M1 HM, RP, and some flavor of Amsoil I couldn't make out. I would guess the Amsoil was not SS or it would have smoked the M1.
They should have used Supertech synthetic to be fair (unless that's what's shown and I can't read correctly).
I have to admit that this video made me look into RP and figure out what CCS viscosity was...it's certainly not very impressive for a 5W30 synthetic, at least to my mind. I was initially attracted to it because I read it was a "real" synthetic!
Oh I'm sure it gets to -40 F at your ski condo.
You don't have plugs there because you don't need them.
I looked it up, the record low is -38F...the worst I've seen is -30F, though. The mountain claimed it was -25F when the lifts starting spinning a couple of mornings when I was there, only did 1 run at a time between lodge breaks until it warmed up a little. They were totally still days, probably would have delayed opening if there was any wind to speak of.
I don't need plugs because I run a 5W30 synth with good CCS viscosity for its grade... ;^)
Yeah, -40* is a bit much for these oils w/o a block or pan heater ...
I think we've hashed the mattmopar440 one about at least once before...
The way I interpret Widman calculator,logically :
M1 HM wins at starting temperatures below -26C (-15F) ;
Amsoil SS 5W30 wins at starting temperatures higher than -19C (+2F).
Overall, M1 is not suitable for 95-99ish percent of operating vehicles on the planet ???
M1 HM wins at starting temperatures below -26C (-15F) ;
Amsoil SS 5W30 wins at starting temperatures higher than -19C (+2F).
Overall, M1 is not suitable for 95-99ish percent of operating vehicles on the planet ???
If the primary purpose for a motor oil was to pour out of bottle in very cold weather, I'd guess this would mean something.
Looks to me like all 3 synthetics would actually pump.
Looks to me like all 3 synthetics would actually pump.
The coldest we have ever seen here in Pittsburgh PA was -20 F in January of 1993. I had Mobil 5w30 in my car that day. It cranked slow but it did start and run OK. A friend of mine who lived only a couple of blocks away had a new Cadillac that would not start that day and he really had to take his wife to her work. We tried to jump start his Cadillac and it did crank somewhat faster when the second battery was connected to it but it still would not start. We figured out that it might of flooded the sparkplugs when it initally cranked slow so he took off a sparkplug and it was wet with fuel inside. He put in a fresh set of sparkplugs and got it to start. Dam cold day to change a set of sparkplugs.
Long story short, the Cadillac had the original factory fill oil in it, which was probably 10w30, and too thick at -20 F.
Back in 1993 I had never even heard of 0W-30, but 5w30 Mobil did allow my car to start.
BTW, I currently run GC Castrol 0w30 in our 2001 Impala, and Castrol 0W-40 in our 1985 Olds 88.
Long story short, the Cadillac had the original factory fill oil in it, which was probably 10w30, and too thick at -20 F.
Back in 1993 I had never even heard of 0W-30, but 5w30 Mobil did allow my car to start.
BTW, I currently run GC Castrol 0w30 in our 2001 Impala, and Castrol 0W-40 in our 1985 Olds 88.
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The bottles all seem to have different neck/cap sizes. I'm not sure how to compare the results of that video with the different size orifices the oil is going through. The walmart bottle looks to have the smallest cap/neck size. The mobil may have the largest cap opening.
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
The bottles all seem to have different neck/cap sizes. I'm not sure how to compare the results of that video with the different size orifices the oil is going through. The walmart bottle looks to have the smallest cap/neck size. The mobil may have the largest cap opening.
Here's essentially the same test redone with the same opening size. Pretty much the same outcome. M1 has great low temp pour point.
Video
Still need to plug in if you have sustained negative temps for long periods of time.
The bottles all seem to have different neck/cap sizes. I'm not sure how to compare the results of that video with the different size orifices the oil is going through. The walmart bottle looks to have the smallest cap/neck size. The mobil may have the largest cap opening.
Here's essentially the same test redone with the same opening size. Pretty much the same outcome. M1 has great low temp pour point.
Video
Still need to plug in if you have sustained negative temps for long periods of time.
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It's gonna get down to 49 tonight! Which means it'll be in the upper 60s in my garage. Good thing I've got 0w30 in the Camry!
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
It's gonna get down to 49 tonight! Which means it'll be in the upper 60s in my garage. Good thing I've got 0w30 in the Camry!
It's almost 10f colder here, and I'm running the 0w30 AFE as well. Do you think it'll be ok or should I dump it and put in 0w20?
It's gonna get down to 49 tonight! Which means it'll be in the upper 60s in my garage. Good thing I've got 0w30 in the Camry!
It's almost 10f colder here, and I'm running the 0w30 AFE as well. Do you think it'll be ok or should I dump it and put in 0w20?
Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
It's gonna get down to 49 tonight! Which means it'll be in the upper 60s in my garage. Good thing I've got 0w30 in the Camry!
It's almost 10f colder here, and I'm running the 0w30 AFE as well. Do you think it'll be ok or should I dump it and put in 0w20?
I would be curious to know at what temps the 0w 30 or 0w20 oils flow better than the 5w weights. How cold would it have to be to see a real difference?
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
It's gonna get down to 49 tonight! Which means it'll be in the upper 60s in my garage. Good thing I've got 0w30 in the Camry!
It's almost 10f colder here, and I'm running the 0w30 AFE as well. Do you think it'll be ok or should I dump it and put in 0w20?
I would be curious to know at what temps the 0w 30 or 0w20 oils flow better than the 5w weights. How cold would it have to be to see a real difference?
I'd say , if the viscosity index is around the same, you'd start to see a difference around -25°C/-10°F
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