Interesting Chrysler CEO interview on NPR

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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
NPR makes me throw up.


thanks for the editorial. Great contribution to the thread.
 
Your welcome.

They make me throw up too. BTW, it's a public forum, and it would be a bit unreasonable to assume everyone would tip toe around your beliefs and/or expectations, eh?

But back OT, that article is a great example of how Chrysler is at least making one heck of an effort to turn things around. Better stuff is coming for sure.
 
Originally Posted By: HawkeyeScott
This aired today on Morning Edition. Found it really interesting. Admits to "stealing" manufacture best-practies from Toyota. Says some Chrysler (Jeep) models will never be built anywhere but USA.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/18/169684984/ceo-marchionne-drives-chryslers-dramatic-turnaround


Who cares where they got their practices. If it benefits the consumer in either cost or quality then by all means steal away.
And nothing wrong with wanting to keep building jeeps on home soil. That benefits the entire nation as far as I'm concerned
 
Yeah ... NPR sometimes makes my blood boil.

The Cherokee is still in production in China with original AMC tooling! Not as the Beijing jeep 2500 ... and it has IFS now!
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Your welcome.

They make me throw up too. BTW, it's a public forum, and it would be a bit unreasonable to assume everyone would tip toe around your beliefs and/or expectations, eh?



I think it's reasonable to assume someone would actually comment on the article which was posted rather than use it as yet another opportunity for snarking at others "beliefs". Frankly, the constant politically inspired snarking at every opportunity by many folks on the forum has grown tiresome to me.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Yeah ... NPR sometimes makes my blood boil.

The Cherokee is still in production in China with original AMC tooling! Not as the Beijing jeep 2500 ... and it has IFS now!


I don't care what anyone says about ifs. My last 2 trucks have had it and the improvement in handling over washboard and rough snowy roads was definitely noticeable. I've yet to have any issues with it either
 
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Your welcome.

They make me throw up too. BTW, it's a public forum, and it would be a bit unreasonable to assume everyone would tip toe around your beliefs and/or expectations, eh?



I think it's reasonable to assume someone would actually comment on the article which was posted rather than use it as yet another opportunity for snarking at others "beliefs". Frankly, the constant politically inspired snarking at every opportunity by many folks on the forum has grown tiresome to me.



You always have an ignore button. Snarky is subject to interpretation, I wonder if every post you ever made was somehow audited if you could stand up to your own lofty ideals.

Your beliefs are not altered in any way by the comments of others, nor should you feel offended. It's a discussion forum, so people post what they want. And you are reading in way too much personal feelings IMO, as most of us do not intend to actually hurt you personally.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Yeah ... NPR sometimes makes my blood boil.

The Cherokee is still in production in China with original AMC tooling! Not as the Beijing jeep 2500 ... and it has IFS now!


I don't care what anyone says about ifs. My last 2 trucks have had it and the improvement in handling over washboard and rough snowy roads was definitely noticeable. I've yet to have any issues with it either


IFS/IRS is no doubt better in an all-around sense. Solid axles are better for SERIOUS offroading (which is why the Wrangler will always have solid axles) and they actually have a better roll-center geometry that makes handle very well on GLASS-smooth pavement. Any wasboarding at all swings the advantage in favor of IFS, though. I love my solid axle Cherokees, but part of the appeal is that they're a bit neanderthal. ;-)

As for the original subject... of course manufacturers steal "best" practices from each other. Heck, they steal design and engineering from each other! The torsion-bar front suspension on GM trucks is very similar to what Chrysler pioneered on cars back in the 50s (which itself was not too far different than Packard's setup, although they were pretty much contemporary). Toyota uses a similar setup only they tied the T-bar tot he upper control arm. So yeah, everybody "borrows" from everybody, and a good idea is a good idea no matter who has it.
 
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Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Your welcome.

They make me throw up too. BTW, it's a public forum, and it would be a bit unreasonable to assume everyone would tip toe around your beliefs and/or expectations, eh?



I think it's reasonable to assume someone would actually comment on the article which was posted rather than use it as yet another opportunity for snarking at others "beliefs". Frankly, the constant politically inspired snarking at every opportunity by many folks on the forum has grown tiresome to me.



I've had you on ignore for a while now, because you are far and away the biggest offender.
 
Ironic how JOD is told not to take others views personally while several posters are clearly taking things personally judging by their physical reaction of "throwing up" because of NPR.

Your beliefs are not altered in any way by the views of NPR. NPR doesn't mean to attack you personally and this is a land of free speech where it is legitimate for there to be a range of opinions. You're taking NPR way too personally in my opinion.

And btw, what is tiresome is taking the post OT just to make a pseudo political point.
 
Haha, actually that IS humorous and of course you hold yourself up to the same scrutiny?

But of course you ARE entitled to your opinion...
 
Here in lies the question. Does NPR, Fox, talk radio etc interviewer taint the actual content of the interview? They simply ask the questions and maybe apply some spin in the questions.

However the interviewee can answer in whatever matter they please.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Yeah ... NPR sometimes makes my blood boil.

The Cherokee is still in production in China with original AMC tooling! Not as the Beijing jeep 2500 ... and it has IFS now!


I don't care what anyone says about ifs. My last 2 trucks have had it and the improvement in handling over washboard and rough snowy roads was definitely noticeable. I've yet to have any issues with it either


IFS/IRS is no doubt better in an all-around sense. Solid axles are better for SERIOUS offroading (which is why the Wrangler will always have solid axles) and they actually have a better roll-center geometry that makes handle very well on GLASS-smooth pavement. Any wasboarding at all swings the advantage in favor of IFS, though. I love my solid axle Cherokees, but part of the appeal is that they're a bit neanderthal. ;-)

As for the original subject... of course manufacturers steal "best" practices from each other. Heck, they steal design and engineering from each other! The torsion-bar front suspension on GM trucks is very similar to what Chrysler pioneered on cars back in the 50s (which itself was not too far different than Packard's setup, although they were pretty much contemporary). Toyota uses a similar setup only they tied the T-bar tot he upper control arm. So yeah, everybody "borrows" from everybody, and a good idea is a good idea no matter who has it.



Solid axle articulates MUCH better off road than something you'd find on a regular Pickup or SUV. Feels much more stable as the body can stay somewhat level while the axles move around as needed.

I didn't by my Cherokee to go race on a track with washboard-y corners.

When I said it was IFS, I meant it more in surprise that someone would put the R&D into an IFS setup on a 30 year old design.
 
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