We have an '02 Honda Odyssey, an '03 Mazda Protege5 and a '91 Mazda Miata. The WIX fitment guide specifies: Honda #51334; Protege #51365; Miata #51356. All three filters have ADBVs, and the SAME gasket dimensions, thread size, bypass PSI (8-11), max flow (9-11 GPM) and nominal micro rating (19). They differ only in burst pressure and beta ratio: Honda 2/20=22/40 and 280 PSI; Protege 2/20=15/22 and 300 PSI; Miata 2/20=6/19 and 363 PSI. Assuming that all three will fit within the confines of each engine compartment, is there any reason not to order a case of 12 of one of the filters and use them for all three cars? As much as a buying decision, this will help me understand a bit more about filters, so thanks in advance.
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If you go with the #51334 and 280 psi burst, I fail to see how any of the engines would ever exceed it. If you run 75W-90 in the winter, likely the oil pump drive will go before the filter.
Looking at the filter specs more carefully and with an explanantion of beta in hand after a search ... wouldn't the best of these filters be the 51356?
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Personally, without looking at each filter's spec, I'd toss out the burst strength spec and get the biggest fitler with the best micron rating. If the best micron rating was the smallest ..that's the one I would get.
Gary,
I'm not particularly concerned with burst rating either. But, by "best micron rating", do you mean the best beta? They all have the same "nominal micron rating", and, unfortunately, the largest one has has the worst beta. I tend to favor a larger filter, but I'm not sure of the significance of the beta differences.
From "Insider Secrets to Hydraulics" by Brendan Casey (NORIA Corporation):
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Filters are commonly classified according to absolute or nominal ratings. A filter that is classified absolute has an efficiency of 98 percent or better at the specified micron size, and a filter that is classified nominal has an efficiency of between 50 percent and 95 percent at the specified micron size.
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Let's take a look here:
Part Number: 51334
UPC Number: 765809513341
Principal Application: Acura (88-05), Chevrolet (85-88), Dodge (91-96), Ford (88-96), Honda (72-05), Hyundai (89-06), Isuzu (85-04), Kia (01-06), Mercury (87-91), Mitsubishi (89-98), Subaru (87-06), John Deere, Kobelco, Komatsu, Kubota, Onan, Toro & Yanmar Diesel
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=22/40
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
Part Number: 51365
UPC Number: 765809513655
Principal Application: Ford (92-97), Honda (00-06), Infiniti/Nissan (95-06), Mazda (97-06), Mercury (91-96), Saab (05-06), Subaru (88-06), Cub Cadet, Yanmar, John Deere, Kawasaki, Kobelco, Outboard Marine Engines
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 2.577
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=15/22
Burst Pressure-PSI: 300
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
Part Number: 51356
UPC Number: 765809513563
Principal Application: Acura (02-06), Chrysler Imports (92-06), Ford Probe (93-97), Honda (01-06), Infiniti/Nissan (96-06), Mazda (71-00), Mercury Villager (99-00), Mitsubishi (90-06), Saturn (04-06), Outboard Marine Engines, Various HD Equip.
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/19
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
and one you didn't mention:
Part Number: 51358
UPC Number: 765809513587
Principal Application: Honda Motorcycles + Industrial Engines, I-R, Komatsu, Kubota, Kia (95-05), Subaru (06), Yamaha Marine
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 2.782
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=13/52
Burst Pressure-PSI: 265
Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 14
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.420 2.230 0.150
That 51365 looks like a very fine filter. How long do you intend on running it? I would think that 10k would be fine. JMO
You should be all right using the same filter. Don't hold me to it, but I would try.
Thanks guys.
I run the 51334 on a 93 Mazda 2.0L and a 96 Honda Civic EX, no fitment/leak issues at all. Next time I'll probably order one of the better micron rated sizes. Although my current filter stash will last 1-2 more years.
Gary,
I won't run them more than 7500 miles if I'm using synthetic, 5000 on dino.
Since the beta of the 51356 is highlighted, is that the one you like best? Or did you really mean the 51365? If so why?
Rich
I was wondrering about the highlighted one as well....
I looked at a Baldwin equivalent, the B1402. It has a microlite filter element, with ADB, and ByPass setting at 14 PSI. So it would have to be rather plugged or very heavy cold oil for the bypass valve to open up, which in some regards wouldn't be all that bad.
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