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We have an '02 Honda Odyssey, an '03 Mazda Protege5 and a '91 Mazda Miata. The WIX fitment guide specifies: Honda #51334; Protege #51365; Miata #51356. All three filters have ADBVs, and the SAME gasket dimensions, thread size, bypass PSI (8-11), max flow (9-11 GPM) and nominal micro rating (19). They differ only in burst pressure and beta ratio: Honda 2/20=22/40 and 280 PSI; Protege 2/20=15/22 and 300 PSI; Miata 2/20=6/19 and 363 PSI. Assuming that all three will fit within the confines of each engine compartment, is there any reason not to order a case of 12 of one of the filters and use them for all three cars? As much as a buying decision, this will help me understand a bit more about filters, so thanks in advance.
 
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If you go with the #51334 and 280 psi burst, I fail to see how any of the engines would ever exceed it. If you run 75W-90 in the winter, likely the oil pump drive will go before the filter.
 

rashley

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Looking at the filter specs more carefully and with an explanantion of beta in hand after a search ... wouldn't the best of these filters be the 51356?
 
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Personally, without looking at each filter's spec, I'd toss out the burst strength spec and get the biggest fitler with the best micron rating. If the best micron rating was the smallest ..that's the one I would get.
 

rashley

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Gary, I'm not particularly concerned with burst rating either. But, by "best micron rating", do you mean the best beta? They all have the same "nominal micron rating", and, unfortunately, the largest one has has the worst beta. I tend to favor a larger filter, but I'm not sure of the significance of the beta differences.
 
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From "Insider Secrets to Hydraulics" by Brendan Casey (NORIA Corporation):
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Filters are commonly classified according to absolute or nominal ratings. A filter that is classified absolute has an efficiency of 98 percent or better at the specified micron size, and a filter that is classified nominal has an efficiency of between 50 percent and 95 percent at the specified micron size.
 
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Let's take a look here: Part Number: 51334 UPC Number: 765809513341 Principal Application: Acura (88-05), Chevrolet (85-88), Dodge (91-96), Ford (88-96), Honda (72-05), Hyundai (89-06), Isuzu (85-04), Kia (01-06), Mercury (87-91), Mitsubishi (89-98), Subaru (87-06), John Deere, Kobelco, Komatsu, Kubota, Onan, Toro & Yanmar Diesel All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 3.194 Outer Diameter Top: 3.252 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=22/40 Burst Pressure-PSI: 280 Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 Part Number: 51365 UPC Number: 765809513655 Principal Application: Ford (92-97), Honda (00-06), Infiniti/Nissan (95-06), Mazda (97-06), Mercury (91-96), Saab (05-06), Subaru (88-06), Cub Cadet, Yanmar, John Deere, Kawasaki, Kobelco, Outboard Marine Engines All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 2.577 Outer Diameter Top: 2.685 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=15/22 Burst Pressure-PSI: 300 Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 Part Number: 51356 UPC Number: 765809513563 Principal Application: Acura (02-06), Chrysler Imports (92-06), Ford Probe (93-97), Honda (01-06), Infiniti/Nissan (96-06), Mazda (71-00), Mercury Villager (99-00), Mitsubishi (90-06), Saturn (04-06), Outboard Marine Engines, Various HD Equip. All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 3.402 Outer Diameter Top: 2.685 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/19 Burst Pressure-PSI: 363 Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 and one you didn't mention: Part Number: 51358 UPC Number: 765809513587 Principal Application: Honda Motorcycles + Industrial Engines, I-R, Komatsu, Kubota, Kia (95-05), Subaru (06), Yamaha Marine All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 2.782 Outer Diameter Top: 2.685 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=13/52 Burst Pressure-PSI: 265 Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 14 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.420 2.230 0.150 That 51365 looks like a very fine filter. How long do you intend on running it? I would think that 10k would be fine. JMO
 
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I run the 51334 on a 93 Mazda 2.0L and a 96 Honda Civic EX, no fitment/leak issues at all. Next time I'll probably order one of the better micron rated sizes. Although my current filter stash will last 1-2 more years.
 

rashley

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Gary, I won't run them more than 7500 miles if I'm using synthetic, 5000 on dino. Since the beta of the 51356 is highlighted, is that the one you like best? Or did you really mean the 51365? If so why? Rich
 
I was wondrering about the highlighted one as well.... I looked at a Baldwin equivalent, the B1402. It has a microlite filter element, with ADB, and ByPass setting at 14 PSI. So it would have to be rather plugged or very heavy cold oil for the bypass valve to open up, which in some regards wouldn't be all that bad.
 
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