Infineum worldwide automotive trends 2019 presentation

[Gokhan]

Infineum worldwide automotive trends 2019 presentation

WARNING: The info in this presentation is somewhat overwhelming.

It's a BITOG'er's dream (or nightmare -- good timing for Halloween).

 

[Gokhan]

Here is my summary for the upcoming ACEA 2020 sequences from the presentation.

None of the legacy categories will have the three modern-engine tests: LSPI, chain wear, and turbocharger deposits. There are only two new categories for light-duty engines: A7/B7 and C6, which will have all three aforementioned modern-engine tests included.

It also looks like thick oils (HTHS ⥠3.5 cP) are beginning to be phased out in Europe as well, as their categories are not being replaced with newer categories and are becoming legacy categories as a result.

• A3/B3 will be removed
• A3/B4 will remain as a legacy category
• A5/B5 will be removed
• A7/B7 will be introduced (SAE xW-30 oils with HTHS ⤠3.5 cP, same performance spec as the new C6, LSPI, chain wear and turbocharger deposits included)
• C1 will be removed
• C2 will remain as a legacy category
• C3 will remain as a legacy category
• C4 will remain as a legacy category
• C5 will remain as a legacy category, being phased out to be replaced with C6)
• C6 will be introduced (SAE xW-20 oils, same performance spec as the new A7/B7, LSPI, chain wear and turbocharger deposits included)
• SAE 0W-12 and SAE 0W-16 oils postponed to next ACEA update
• E4 will remain for legacy engines
• E6 will be removed
• E7 will remain for legacy engines
• E8 will be introduced (in line with API CK-4)
• E9 will be removed
• E11 will be introduced (in line with API CK-4)

 

[weasley]

Nice summary! This is a massive upheaval in ACEA specs - the biggest perhaps since CCMC became ACEA in '96.

 

[PimTac]

Great presentation. Thanks for sharing Gokhan

I wonder how many GM fans will squirm at the mention of a 2 banger for the Silverado?

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Wow this is great! Thank you for sharing

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Great presentation. Thanks for sharing Gokhan

I wonder how many GM fans will squirm at the mention of a 2 banger for the Silverado?

+1...saw that....‚

Tx for the share Gokhan.

 

[buster]

Thanks Gokhan.

 

[OVERKILL]

Thanks for the info

 

[OilUzer]

Does this mean new (European?) cars will no longer require A3/B4 (higher hths) or even higher hths oils?
Or will there be a thick a7/b7 (hths=3.5) and a thin(er) a7/b7 (e.g. hths=2.9) and ...

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It also looks like thick oils (HTHS ⥠3.5 cP) are beginning to be phased out in Europe as well, as their categories are not being replaced with newer categories and are becoming legacy categories as a result.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by OilUzer
Does this mean new (European?) cars will no longer require A3/B4 (higher hths) or even higher hths oils?
Or will there be a thick a7/b7 (hths=3.5) and a thin(er) a7/b7 (e.g. hths=2.9) and ...
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It also looks like thick oils (HTHS ⥠3.5 cP) are beginning to be phased out in Europe as well, as their categories are not being replaced with newer categories and are becoming legacy categories as a result.

A7/B7 and A5/B5 it's replacing have 2.9 cP ⤠HTHS ⤠3.5 cP. In practice most have/will have HTHS ~ 3.0 - 3.2 cP.

Most new European light-duty OEMs have 2.6 cP ⤠HTHS ⤠3.5 cP. HTHS ⥠3.5 cP for new light-duty vehicles is only for high-performance cars (Ferrari, Porsche, BMW M series, etc.) and some light-duty diesel engines. Euro and US heavy-duty diesel engines still mostly use HTHS ⥠3.5 cP.

 

[DirectRejection]

Thanks Gokhan.
Great read.

 

[ChrisD46]

*It looks like the new A7/B7 rated oils with HTHS up to 3.5cP will be what I look for in a 5W30 synthetic .
*Perhaps the thicker oils ( HTHS over 3.5) are not required in Europe for protection due to newer formulations that satisfy the oil requirements with A7/B7 spec. / newer x30 formulations ?
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Here is my summary for the upcoming ACEA 2020 sequences from the presentation.

None of the legacy categories will have the three modern-engine tests: LSPI, chain wear, and turbocharger deposits. There are only two new categories for light-duty engines: A7/B7 and C6, which will have all three aforementioned modern-engine tests included.

It also looks like thick oils (HTHS ⥠3.5 cP) are beginning to be phased out in Europe as well, as their categories are not being replaced with newer categories and are becoming legacy categories as a result.

• A3/B3 will be removed
• A3/B4 will remain as a legacy category
• A5/B5 will be removed
• A7/B7 will be introduced (SAE xW-30 oils with HTHS ⤠3.5 cP, same performance spec as the new C6, LSPI, chain wear and turbocharger deposits included)
• C1 will be removed
• C2 will remain as a legacy category
• C3 will remain as a legacy category
• C4 will remain as a legacy category
• C5 will remain as a legacy category, being phased out to be replaced with C6)
• C6 will be introduced (SAE xW-20 oils, same performance spec as the new A7/B7, LSPI, chain wear and turbocharger deposits included)
• SAE 0W-12 and SAE 0W-16 oils postponed to next ACEA update
• E4 will remain for legacy engines
• E6 will be removed
• E7 will remain for legacy engines
• E8 will be introduced (in line with API CK-4)
• E9 will be removed
• E11 will be introduced (in line with API CK-4)

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by ChrisD46
*It looks like the new A7/B7 rated oils with HTHS up to 3.5cP will be what I look for in a 5W30 synthetic .

I'm sure most dexos1 Gen 2 0W-30 and 5W-30 oils currently out there already meet A7/B7.

Originally Posted by ChrisD46
*Perhaps the thicker oils ( HTHS over 3.5) are not required in Europe for protection due to newer formulations that satisfy the oil requirements with A7/B7 spec. / newer x30 formulations ?

Here is my summary for the upcoming ACEA 2020 sequences from the presentation.

Audi, BMW, etc. currently already spec 0W-20 for most of their new cars, and Mercedes - Benz seems to be catching up as well.

It looks like ACEA and ILSAC specs, as well as Euro and US OEM specs, are finally aligning, and ACEA is reducing the unneeded fractionalization in their specs.

 

[wemay]

Thanks for the new information

 

[donnyj08]

Thanks for posting!

 

[Silk]

Time to stock up on some A3/B4.

 

[Bjornviken]

Nice info Gokhan

 

[Kamele0N]

Originally Posted by Silk
Time to stock up on some A3/B4.

+1...and E6/E9

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by Kamele0N
Originally Posted by Silk
Time to stock up on some A3/B4.

+1...and E6/E9

The A3/B4 is a legacy spec that is not going anywhere in the unforeseeable future, as there are so many vehicles that spec it. It's only that fewer and fewer newer vehicles are speccing it.

The E6 and E9 are being replaced by the superior E8 and E11, respectively; so, there are no worries there either. The E4 and E7 are remaining for the legacy engines, as noted.

 

[Kamele0N]

Tnx