I'm thinking of switching from Mobil 1 to SuperTech Full Synthetic... Need Opinions

Messages
60
Location
Long Beach, CA
I have a 1995 V6 3.4L Camaro with 103,000 miles I've always used Mobil 1 10-30 and an AC Delco PF52 filter for my oil changes every 7,500 miles The car runs like a champ and I haven't had a problem at all I went to WalMart tonight and saw these:  - Only ~$12 for 5 qts. of FULL synthetic oil [Eek!] They even had the SuperTech filters for $1.29 or something So I did a search in this forum and found out that the SuperTech full synthetic is a decent performing oil, and that SuperTech oil filters are also good oil filters [HAIL 2 U!] Now my question is... would I be asking for trouble if I switched to SuperTech oil/filter, instead of the M1/AC Delco combo I've always used? [Confused] I would still use the same oil change interval (7,500 miles) I live in Los Angeles, CA by the way. We never experience extreme heat or cold like some parts of the country I drive about 30% city/70% highway If I could use the SuperTech products safely, then that'd be a really cheap synthetic oil change (less than $15 total) [Cheers!] Any advice/opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance [Big Grin] myke
 
Messages
1,130
Location
California
With ST brand products you really never have any idea what you are getting. Walmart can change product specs and/or suppliers anytime. Of course we now know that AC/Delco does the same. There are at least three different documented mfg. of AC/Delco oil filters: Champion, Delphi, and some Mexican company I forget the name of. SuperTech filters appear to be made by Champion, though there are some reports that ST filters are sometimes coming from a possibly Champion affiliated factory in Mexico. If you want a bargain priced group III synthetic then maybe Rotella T 5W-40 is what you are looking for. Slightly more expensive than the WalMart house brand, but I suspect that Shell might have a little more QA than SuperTech. Can't prove it though. Probably the best bargain in oils right now is something like the Chevron Delo 400 10W-30 heavy duty dino oil. It isn't often stocked at WalMart, but you should be able to find it in gallon jugs at some of the better auto parts stores for around $8/gallon. I would be more comfortable with it that with any SuperTech oil. Chevron makes some of the best price/performance motor oils going. John H [ May 04, 2004, 03:28 AM: Message edited by: jthorner ]
 
Messages
7,409
Location
Austin, TX
Since this is Group III oil, it's probably priced appropriately. There's was only one UOA that I could find : http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001083#000000 ...and in this application the oil did 6,894 miles with fairly good results. I probably wouldn't go one mile further than 7500 without doing at least one UOA to see how it holds up in your application. I guess it all boils down to how long you plan on keeping the car and how tight your budget is. If you want to keep it as long as possible, I'd stay with what your doing. If you plan on only keeping it a few more years and are on a tight budget, you'll probably be OK with the Supertech combo. One other option would be to cut the interval in about half and use a good dino oil like Chevron, Havoline or Pennzoil. My 2 cents.
 

IBJanky

Thread starter
Messages
60
Location
Long Beach, CA
I don't really want to use dino oil I want to use a synthetic oil so I can have at least 7,500 miles OCI So is the ST brand ok to use for my application? myke
 
Messages
3,346
Location
Clarksville, Tennessee
quote:
Originally posted by IBJanky: I don't really want to use dino oil I want to use a synthetic oil so I can have at least 7,500 miles OCI So is the ST brand ok to use for my application? myke
Though it's still a "dino" oil. It should be okay for $7500 miles.
 
Messages
656
Location
Massachusetts
I don't think anyone here wants to commit to ST syn for a drain of 7500 miles. Probably because a lot of us have not used it, and those who have, haven't pushed it or any group III syn past 5-7K miles. I would be hesitant about just blindly throwing it into your car and running the same OCI. Either use it and test at 4-5000 miles, or stick to your M1.
 
Messages
9,427
Location
Pensacola & Vero Beach FL
Well, the refreshing part of this to me is that at least the Group III dinosyn, while still being called "full synthetic," as is allowed, is being priced to more accurately reflects what it is -- extra-refined dino. Unlike some of the refiners who are lining their pockets selling Group-III for the same price as Group-IV/V oils, this oil's price more fairly reflects what it is. So you can choose between paying a little less for G-III or paying full freight and getting full, honestly synthetic synthetic.
 
Messages
418
Location
OR
If "it ain't broke, don't fix it".
quote:
Originally posted by IBJanky: I have a 1995 V6 3.4L Camaro with 103,000 miles I've always used Mobil 1 10-30 and an AC Delco PF52 filter for my oil changes every 7,500 miles The car runs like a champ and I haven't had a problem at all I went to WalMart tonight and saw these:  - Only ~$12 for 5 qts. of FULL synthetic oil [Eek!] They even had the SuperTech filters for $1.29 or something So I did a search in this forum and found out that the SuperTech full synthetic is a decent performing oil, and that SuperTech oil filters are also good oil filters [HAIL 2 U!] Now my question is... would I be asking for trouble if I switched to SuperTech oil/filter, instead of the M1/AC Delco combo I've always used? [Confused] I would still use the same oil change interval (7,500 miles) I live in Los Angeles, CA by the way. We never experience extreme heat or cold like some parts of the country I drive about 30% city/70% highway If I could use the SuperTech products safely, then that'd be a really cheap synthetic oil change (less than $15 total) [Cheers!] Any advice/opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance [Big Grin] myke
 

IBJanky

Thread starter
Messages
60
Location
Long Beach, CA
Group III? Then that means that it isn't a "true" synthetic like Mobil 1, and it's just refnied dino oil, right? If that's the case, then I'd rather stick with the Mobil 1 How about using Mobil 1 oil, and picking up a SuperTech filter? How do those filters compare to AC Delco PF52? (i know it's a filter question, but I didn't want to make a new thread) Do you guys think that the SuperTech filter would be ok to run for 7,500 miles? What is the SuperTech equivalent to the AC Delco PF52 anyway? Thanks for all the help [Smile] myke
 
Messages
235
Location
Ar
quote:
How about using Mobil 1 oil, and picking up a SuperTech filter?
I don't run it for 7500 miles because it would take me over a year to put that much on it. But I do use the Mobil 1 and ST filter combo and would recommend it. I wouldn't heistate to run it 7500.
 
Messages
1,181
Location
NJ, USA
quote:
Originally posted by IBJanky: I have a 1995 V6 3.4L Camaro with 103,000 miles I've always used Mobil 1 10-30 and an AC Delco PF52 filter for my oil changes every 7,500 miles The car runs like a champ and I haven't had a problem at all
Why mess with success?
 

IBJanky

Thread starter
Messages
60
Location
Long Beach, CA
OK, I'll stick with the Mobil 1 [Wink] Would it be safe to use the SuperTech filter for 7,500 miles? It'd be really convenient if I can get the Mobil 1 oil AND the filter at Wal-Mart [Big Grin] Do they sell AC Delco filters at Wal-Mart? I don't think I saw any [I dont know] myke
 
Messages
2,768
Location
Tn
I'd stay with the AC Delco and Mobil 1. I think the Super-Tech syn is so cheap, because they economized on the additive package. I don't see it as being any bargain over good GPII/GPII+ dino's with good additive paks. I'd have just as much faith in Pennzoil, Castrol Syntec Blend or Motorcraft for less money even.
 
Messages
3,667
Location
St. Charles County, Missouri
You've made up your mind, so that's fine. I personally think the group III/Group IV purists take it a bit far. I wouldn't push any group III past 5 or 6 K without a UOA, but with a bit of checking it should be fine. I've dropped a quart of ST group III in with my dino and had no problems with it. UOA's on things besides Mobil 1 and Amsoil would be refreshing, so I'm always kind of interested in encouraging people to go off the beaten path a bit. As for Delco filters, most Wal-Marts used to carry some--but they may have phased them out. At one time non-GM Delcos were made by Champion Labs and pretty much identical to SuperTechs only painted blue. There's been some grumbling about Champion filters using the clicker type of valve and some ST's coming from inferior Mexican plants but for the most part ST's like all Champion Labs filters are pretty good for the bucks.
 
Messages
2,768
Location
Tn
Most Wally's only have Super-Tech, Motorcraft, and Fram. I expect the Super-Tech and MC to eventually go away. They are becoming all FRAM, mostly. AC Delco are stock at Autozone and Advance for sure.
 

IBJanky

Thread starter
Messages
60
Location
Long Beach, CA
quote:
Originally posted by haley10: Most Wally's only have Super-Tech, Motorcraft, and Fram. I expect the Super-Tech and MC to eventually go away. They are becoming all FRAM, mostly. AC Delco are stock at Autozone and Advance for sure.
Yeah, they are always in stock at the local AutoZone, but I was wondering if the SuperTech filter would be a good substitute for the AC Delco PF52 that I usually use That way, I'd only have to make one trip to Wal-Mart to get my oil and filter [Big Grin] myke
 
Top