Idaho College Killer Suspect Arrested

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Law enforcement now using DNA from relatives that have ‘similar’ traits on websites like 23andMe.

https://www.23andme.com/

Sounds crazy…… but very similar DNA / genetic markers can lead authorities to the real suspect, killer, rapist, etc…..
They solved a case in which a rapist DNA was not in law enforcement database (CODIS) , but his sister had her DNA on 23andMe.


Ahh yep…

That’s what I mentioned earlier….

And that is… interesting, very good in some ways and yet very spooky in other ways.
 
That right there is why I can't understand why so many people post every single personal detail online about their lives.
College and high school age do not use social media same way as adults. They use Snapchat which is more directed to a certain group and not random strangers.
 
Anything law enforcement can use to catch violent criminals is OK with me.
Anything?

Just randomly raiding houses and putting ALL males in a pen. How about rounding up all white males? Question them under pressure? Torture?

We have a Constitution for a reason.

But yes even genetic testing has limits and can be manipulated.

I hope and think this is the guy, but ****.
 
Anything?

Just randomly raiding houses and putting ALL males in a pen. How about rounding up all white males? Question them under pressure? Torture?

We have a Constitution for a reason.

But yes even genetic testing has limits and can be manipulated.

I hope and think this is the guy, but ****.

Yes, anything within the Constitution is OK with me to catch criminals.


I really LOVE the older episodes of TV show Forensic Files of cases before DNA and computers were used in crime fighting. Investigators had to think ‘outside the box’ to catch criminals.

FBI profilers sometimes needed to be brought in to help build a profile of demented criminal….

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0581455/
 
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Yes, anything within the Constitution is OK with me to catch criminals.


I really LOVE the older episodes of TV show Forensic Files of cases before DNA and computers were used in crime fighting. Investigators had to think ‘outside the box’ to catch criminals.

FBI profilers sometimes needed to be brought in to help build a profile of demented killer….
This is my primary objection to the death penalty. Every year a significant number of people convicted of a capital crime by a jury of their peers are released from prison after new (usually DNA) evidence exonerates them. It's estimated to be 3-5% of all capital crime convictions were wrongful convictions. If they're dead already they get no justice. Imagine not committing the crime and being put to death for something you did not do just to have some new DNA evidence prove you did not do it.

It may sound like a small number of people but even one is too many - at least it would be if it was you.
 
This is my primary objection to the death penalty. Every year a significant number of people convicted of a capital crime by a jury of their peers are released from prison after new (usually DNA) evidence exonerates them. It's estimated to be 3-5% of all capital crime convictions were wrongful convictions. If they're dead already they get no justice. Imagine not committing the crime and being put to death for something you did not do just to have some new DNA evidence prove you did not do it.

It may sound like a small number of people but even one is too many - at least it would be if it was you.
Often " (usually DNA) evidence exonerates them" does not exonerate them. It can be a get out of jail free card.

Lack of DNA evidence, or DNA evidence that does not align with what was found at a crime scene, does not mean the person convicted did not in fact commit the crime. Non aligning DNA evidence provides a reasonable doubt, and a majority of prosecutors will not retry a case with a "reasonable doubt", regardless of other evidence pointing to the convicted party to have, in fact, committed the crime.
 
Often " (usually DNA) evidence exonerates them" does not exonerate them. It can be a get out of jail free card.

Lack of DNA evidence, or DNA evidence that does not align with what was found at a crime scene, does not mean the person convicted did not in fact commit the crime. Non aligning DNA evidence provides a reasonable doubt, and a majority of prosecutors will not retry a case with a "reasonable doubt", regardless of other evidence pointing to the convicted party to have, in fact, committed the crime.
Weird blanket statement. Our legal system is imperfect but it's the best of what's around. If reasonable doubt is the standard, and it should be the standard, it's inconsequential that the reasonable doubt was established after conviction rather than before conviction. Even ONE wrongfully convicted and murdered person is too many.
 
Weird blanket statement. Our legal system is imperfect but it's the best of what's around. If reasonable doubt is the standard, and it should be the standard, it's inconsequential that the reasonable doubt was established after conviction rather than before conviction. Even ONE wrongfully convicted and murdered person is too many.
It is not that simple. Witnesses die, memories lapse, evidence ages. Retrying a convicted murder 30 years after the murder is a very tough challenge for any prosecutor, and very easy for a defense team. Through a misaligned DNA finding, a very effective get out of jail free card, regardless of if the person convicted did or do not commit the murder.

And in no way should innocent people ever be in a penitentiary, not for one minute, not for one second. But, many experts' research suggest that people convicted of heinous crimes such as murder that are released because of DNA misalignment- did in fact commit the crime, but the reasonable doubt protection does in fact allow these convicted people to walk free- but in no way should walking free equate to an innocent conclusion.

I am quite sure if the person who murdered the Jonbenet Ramsey, was convicted, and had done the crime, but was released on a misaligned DNA data- you would not want that convicted murderer as your next-door neighbor.
 
It is not that simple. Witnesses die, memories lapse, evidence ages. Retrying a convicted murder 30 years after the murder is a very tough challenge for any prosecutor, and very easy for a defense team. Through a misaligned DNA finding, a very effective get out of jail free card, regardless of if the person convicted did or do not commit the murder.

And in no way should innocent people ever be in a penitentiary, not for one minute, not for one second. But, many experts' research suggest that people convicted of heinous crimes such as murder that are released because of DNA misalignment- did in fact commit the crime, but the reasonable doubt protection does in fact allow these convicted people to walk free- but in no way should walking free equate to an innocent conclusion.

I am quite sure if the person who murdered the Jonbenet Ramsey, was convicted, and had done the crime, but was released on a misaligned DNA data- you would not want that convicted murderer as your next-door neighbor.
This misses my real point. I'm against the death penalty for the reasons above because there's no going back once that happens. I used DNA evidence to overturn convictions as an example that there are (must be) people who are innocent and wrongfully convicted. I'm not really advocating overturning convictions and releasing people - I'm advocating not killing people because that at least allows for the possibility that a wrong can be made right. Once that person is dead, this is now impossible.
 
Soooo ... todays new update, small things are starting to leak out on the college murders.
Speculation with some confirmation he was stalking them before the murders.

As careful as he thought he was/is (still to be proven how careful) oh that mighty Cell Phone Data. Cell phone pings places him in the same locations as the 3 girls and guy before he slashed them.
They don't know at this point if they ever interacted with him other than cell phone pings show him in the same locations following the girls and the boyfriend for weeks.
Which also leads me to wonder, maybe they will find the murder weapon in the coming weeks by retracing every place his cell phone has been.
I am a bit concerned since he was a major in college as he was even wearing gloves in super markets when he returned home in PA.

Time will tell and we have to be careful with unofficial "reports" from sources we know how that goes in todays media.
We wont know for a long time if he was smarter than the police/FBI but I suspect not. We know, cell phone data is not going to get someone convicted but at least it's a confirmation they are on the right track for now. You would think he was aware of the cell data if so what did he do to cover any other evidence.
 
I was talking about the OJ case - how did they get OJ's blood and put it at the crime scene and in is Bronco before they even knew what was going on? Evidence wasn't "planted" in the Idaho case either ... they didn't even know the guy.
Maybe he actually did it and it wasn't planted?
 
Soooo ... todays new update, small things are starting to leak out on the college murders.
Speculation with some confirmation he was stalking them before the murders.

As careful as he thought he was/is (still to be proven how careful) oh that mighty Cell Phone Data. Cell phone pings places him in the same locations as the 3 girls and guy before he slashed them.
They don't know at this point if they ever interacted with him other than cell phone pings show him in the same locations following the girls and the boyfriend for weeks.
Which also leads me to wonder, maybe they will find the murder weapon in the coming weeks by retracing every place his cell phone has been.
I am a bit concerned since he was a major in college as he was even wearing gloves in super markets when he returned home in PA.

Time will tell and we have to be careful with unofficial "reports" from sources we know how that goes in todays media.
We wont know for a long time if he was smarter than the police/FBI but I suspect not. We know, cell phone data is not going to get someone convicted but at least it's a confirmation they are on the right track for now. You would think he was aware of the cell data if so what did he do to cover any other evidence.

I wonder if he took any ‘trophy’ items from any of his victims ?


OT: The BTK killer took trophy items so he could re-live his murders.
 
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I wonder if he took any ‘trophy’ items from any of his victims ?
You know what I find creepy about this guy, he majored in police technology... was this a random act to see if he could beat the system?
I suspect they will be going through years of cell pings on this guy and see if he was close to any other missing or murdered people as well.
I have no clue, maybe that stuff is routine now and already been done.
Trophy .. I dont know, depends on the type of sick mind he has.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/01/bryan...y-of-idaho-victims-before-mass-murder-report/
 
I'm surprised he would not have been aware of his cellphone trackability. Maybe he is not that bright.

I agree with @Trav wait and see how this plays out. Innocent until proven guilty.
 
College and high school age do not use social media same way as adults. They use Snapchat which is more directed to a certain group and not random strangers.
Agree with one exception. Even with Facebook people can not see my profile or posts unless they are in my contact/friends list.
You can be careless with any technology.
 
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