Hyundai/Kia Recalls 1.4 Million Vehicles

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Originally Posted By: WhizkidTN
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
They say debris from the manufacturing process is to blame. It makes you wonder just how well they clean up the blocks, etc. before they assembled them. Reading here sometimes you'd almost believe it's a sterile environment.
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From the sound of it, they resolved the issue going forward.


+1, was thinking the same thing. Then again, what do they recommend as a first oci?


3K if memory serves. I did mine at 2K with M1 0W-40 oil.


So they're not really advocating going long times on factory fill. Does OCI stretch out after that?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: WhizkidTN
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
They say debris from the manufacturing process is to blame. It makes you wonder just how well they clean up the blocks, etc. before they assembled them. Reading here sometimes you'd almost believe it's a sterile environment.
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From the sound of it, they resolved the issue going forward.


+1, was thinking the same thing. Then again, what do they recommend as a first oci?


3K if memory serves. I did mine at 2K with M1 0W-40 oil.


So they're not really advocating going long times on factory fill. Does OCI stretch out after that?


I don't have the recalled engine, those were the theta 2 2.0 adn 2.4 engines. My manual is 3750 severe and 7500 non severe. Non DI engine though.
 
The cleaning of the blocks is most likely an automated process. As mentioned earlier in this thread, this is related to the earlier recall for the same issue. Note that 2014 is the last year affected.

Every automaker has their issues. Honda is having problems with their new 1.5 GTDI Earth Dreams engines. The Civic forums are full of issues. Fiat has more problems than anyone else. Who had the Mexican engines with the rings installed improperly? It's easy to throw stones but check your favorite brand first before throwing.
 
All manufacturers have issues, and something like this just gives the haters a reason to pile on.

I doubt the debris they are talking about is any fine particulate, but probably a large piece of casting material that is restricting oil flow.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: WhizkidTN
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
They say debris from the manufacturing process is to blame. It makes you wonder just how well they clean up the blocks, etc. before they assembled them. Reading here sometimes you'd almost believe it's a sterile environment.
27.gif
From the sound of it, they resolved the issue going forward.


+1, was thinking the same thing. Then again, what do they recommend as a first oci?


3K if memory serves. I did mine at 2K with M1 0W-40 oil.


So they're not really advocating going long times on factory fill. Does OCI stretch out after that?


After the initial oil/filter change, the normal service for the 2.0T engine is 5K miles while the severe service interval is 3.75K miles.
The 2.4L engine has different numbers (7.5K normal service if memory serves).

I keep my OCI at ~4K miles (between normal and severe service) with my hot little turbo engine (DD).
 
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
The cleaning of the blocks is most likely an automated process. As mentioned earlier in this thread, this is related to the earlier recall for the same issue. Note that 2014 is the last year affected.

Every automaker has their issues. Honda is having problems with their new 1.5 GTDI Earth Dreams engines. The Civic forums are full of issues. Fiat has more problems than anyone else. Who had the Mexican engines with the rings installed improperly? It's easy to throw stones but check your favorite brand first before throwing.


Sadly true. Volvo had a similar piston ring in backwards issue for the inline 6 (both 3.2L NA and 3.0L turbo) for several years that resulted in drinking oil and required total replacement of the pistons.
 
Originally Posted By: dja4260
Originally Posted By: Matagonka
Finally! It took them a while.

For those who don't know, Hyundai & Kia engines have issues with oil flowing to the rods, causing them to break and cause engine failure.

http://fox6now.com/2017/04/07/hyundai-and-kia-recall-1-2-million-cars-for-possible-engine-failure/


The rods don't break. These motors would spin a bearing, which could lead to rod knock from excessive clearance and eventually a bent/kicked out rod if it locked up.

Rods stay clean. Rod mains, no.


Mostly correct. The process you mentioned does/did happen but broke rods also happened with good bearings and hot-rodded engines. That should not be such a surprise I would think. They also had broken pistons when hot-rodded out too far with too much boost and timing causing pre-detonation. That should not be a surprise either. There are too many examples of this (owners fault in my opinion) on the OptimaForums(and others) and folks who pushed their platform saying it is "mainly" a result of a weak engine design and expecting the factory to give them a new engine for free. Poor maintenance plays a part as well. When one does not think about or change the oil in their car for 20K miles or so, there are consequences over time.
 
Being made in Georgia, Hyundai advised me that our Santa Fe Sport is not affected. I wonder what went wrong at the Alabama plant that such an issue persisted for so long?
 
Originally Posted By: WhizkidTN
Originally Posted By: dja4260
Originally Posted By: Matagonka
Finally! It took them a while.

For those who don't know, Hyundai & Kia engines have issues with oil flowing to the rods, causing them to break and cause engine failure.

http://fox6now.com/2017/04/07/hyundai-and-kia-recall-1-2-million-cars-for-possible-engine-failure/


The rods don't break. These motors would spin a bearing, which could lead to rod knock from excessive clearance and eventually a bent/kicked out rod if it locked up.

Rods stay clean. Rod mains, no.


Mostly correct. The process you mentioned does/did happen but broke rods also happened with good bearings and hot-rodded engines. That should not be such a surprise I would think. They also had broken pistons when hot-rodded out too far with too much boost and timing causing pre-detonation. That should not be a surprise either. There are too many examples of this (owners fault in my opinion) on the OptimaForums(and others) and folks who pushed their platform saying it is "mainly" a result of a weak engine design and expecting the factory to give them a new engine for free. Poor maintenance plays a part as well. When one does not think about or change the oil in their car for 20K miles or so, there are consequences over time.


My 2.4L 2011 Sonata pings like crazy on 87 octane, and lightly on 89 octane. Does not ping at all on 93 costco top tier.

I find it quite annoying. Excessive pinging is not good for this engine, and mine only has 40k miles on it.

I may try a GDI spray cleaner at the next oil change.

This engine trashes motor oil, I have been changing it between 3k and 3750 miles.

Have a coworker who has an identical year Optima. Engine knocks and sounds like a pinball machine every time he pulls into work.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: JustinH
Pretty interesting, I have the orange dipstick on a 2011 2.4L sonata with 45k miles.

No knocking at all, I change oil every 3750 miles with 5w30 or 10w30.



I have the yellow one but put 5qts in the sump anyway. Also change under severe service schedule. Knock-on-wood, not a single issue so far.


I spoke too soon
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Honda is having problems with their new 1.5 GTDI Earth Dreams engines.


What is it with all of these crazy names for engines? When did naming engines become a thing?

Honda has the "earth dreams" engine... sounds like it is really full of nightmares instead.

Jeep has the "tiger shark" engine... a 4 cylinder that really has no power and mediocre fuel economy

Ford has the 6.7L "scorpion" diesel engine... which eats ceramic turbo bearings

I find all of this very strange.
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I am new to Hyundai with my 2017 Elantra born in Alabama after the first of the year.

My engine is so quiet I have to look at the tach to know if it is running.

It seems like Hyundai is hit and miss. Too soon to tell which one I have.
 
Originally Posted By: MONKEYMAN
I am new to Hyundai with my 2017 Elantra born in Alabama after the first of the year.

My engine is so quiet I have to look at the tach to know if it is running.

It seems like Hyundai is hit and miss. Too soon to tell which one I have.


Yup, just like a Chrysler or Jeep. At least that 10 year 120k warranty takes some of the sting out of it. What gets me is that they supposedly solved the debris issue in April 2012 yet the 13 /14 models are still affected.. somebody is peddling poo somewhere. I sure won't be keeping mine past 100k, no way.
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Honda is having problems with their new 1.5 GTDI Earth Dreams engines.


What is it with all of these crazy names for engines? When did naming engines become a thing?

Honda has the "earth dreams" engine... sounds like it is really full of nightmares instead.

Jeep has the "tiger shark" engine... a 4 cylinder that really has no power and mediocre fuel economy

Ford has the 6.7L "scorpion" diesel engine... which eats ceramic turbo bearings

I find all of this very strange.
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You mean like Buick having the "Fireball" in the 30s?
 
Seems kind of late now doesn't it? What about the cars that the engine locked up years ago? And the owners either walked away, sold them, fixed on their own dime etc?
 
Thanks for updating this thread.

I entered my VIN and Hyundai has now recalled the Flex Coupler repair that I paid to have done earlier this year ($325).

Submitted my bill to Hyundai, and they are cutting me a check this week.
 
Originally Posted By: JustinH
Thanks for updating this thread.

I entered my VIN and Hyundai has now recalled the Flex Coupler repair that I paid to have done earlier this year ($325).

Submitted my bill to Hyundai, and they are cutting me a check this week.


Excellent!
 
wow...
Well I drive a 2010 Hyundai with the 2.4L
Hitting 125k on the clock this coming week. Been using PYB 5w-30 (5qt jug) for some time with OEM filter. 5k OCIs. Drives and sounds still like the day I bought it.
Didn't think I'd have it this long but no issues at all - in the dealer once for a recall stop lamp switch (which mine didn't give any issues). Other than checks, plugs, coolant, and a battery change.
Never thought I'd try a Hyundai, but got a Memorial Day deal - been my lowest maintenance and most issue free vehicle to me.
I should paint the stick orange and call it good
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I just bought a new Santa Fe Sport with the 2.4l.
So far I love it. I can`t see anywhere that a Hyundai is
any lesser a vehicle than any other make.
All have had their mechanical darlings that cause headaches.
moving from brand x to brand y to avoid any problems is fooling yourself.
How a company deals with these problems and backs the product is the tell tale of where you should go.
Initial quality reports at best gives little insight of what`s to come long term.
It`s rare to find a Pinto, or Vega today.
I have compared my choice to others and none exceed it and few match it, in my view.
Perception of superior quality is a only thing that beats The Santa Fe Sport.
The Honda CRV enjoys the #1 pick as of now.
 
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