I thought the oil selection info on here was interesting:
"Below minus 10F, use 10W plus 10% Kerosene"
robert
"Below minus 10F, use 10W plus 10% Kerosene"
robert
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Originally Posted By: robertcope
I thought the oil selection info on here was interesting:
"Below minus 10F, use 10W plus 10% Kerosene"
robert
Now that would make any Hornet angry.
I thought the oil selection info on here was interesting:
"Below minus 10F, use 10W plus 10% Kerosene"
robert
Now that would make any Hornet angry.
My Ford Capri also says SAE 10W Is safe to use in extreme cold but no mention of adding kerosene , i know Germans often had to add kerosene to the oil in their tanks to keep them from freezing in the Eastern front in WW2.
How many Cst would a SAE 10W have with 10% of Kerosene added in?? 4-5 cst @ 100c?
How many Cst would a SAE 10W have with 10% of Kerosene added in?? 4-5 cst @ 100c?
My budddy had a old Cessna 180 that had a factory installed option to add 2 quarts of fuel to the oil prior to shutdown on a cold night. I believe this practice was abandoned in the 60's with advent of 15W-40 and 20W-50 aviation oils. Also I recall a DeHavilland Beaver that insisted on SAE 50. It had a,similar recommendation to dilute the oil below 20 degrees F.
That wasn't all that unusual back then. In the middle of winter we used to add kerosene to the tractor if we needed it to plow snow, or to my grandfathers 1936 Ford pickup. There were times when it was really cold that we'd start a small fire in a metal bucket under the engine and let it warm the oil pan up for 20 minutes or so before trying to start it.
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Today's driver needs TPMS, rear view cameras and soon will not even be a driver.
Imagine them having to deal with keroing engine oil.
Today's driver needs TPMS, rear view cameras and soon will not even be a driver.
Imagine them having to deal with keroing engine oil.
My dad has a Hornet with the dual carbs but, forgot the name. Was it the Super H? ed
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Today's driver needs TPMS, rear view cameras and soon will not even be a driver.
Imagine them having to deal with keroing engine oil.
Just figuring out how much kero to add by percentage would throw them into seizures.
My manual for my farmall 806 says to replace 1qt of 20w20 with kero below a certain temp. Pretty common back then.
For those that did, you'd think the engine would be pretty clean.
I had a great uncle that my dad said always added a quart of kero and idled the engine for 5 min befor an oil change. At the time (20years ago for me) this was the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. But it was pretty common practice to add kero years ago.
As I remember it, dad was using an engine cleaner to get the froth out of the valve cover on his 86 escort. Had plugged pvc line causing the oil to froth. Took him several tries to figure out what was wrong on that one. But I digress.
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Today's driver needs TPMS, rear view cameras and soon will not even be a driver.
Imagine them having to deal with keroing engine oil.
Just figuring out how much kero to add by percentage would throw them into seizures.
My manual for my farmall 806 says to replace 1qt of 20w20 with kero below a certain temp. Pretty common back then.
For those that did, you'd think the engine would be pretty clean.
I had a great uncle that my dad said always added a quart of kero and idled the engine for 5 min befor an oil change. At the time (20years ago for me) this was the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. But it was pretty common practice to add kero years ago.
As I remember it, dad was using an engine cleaner to get the froth out of the valve cover on his 86 escort. Had plugged pvc line causing the oil to froth. Took him several tries to figure out what was wrong on that one. But I digress.
My 70 elcamino recommend kerosene be added to the oil in extreme temps
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
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Very cool!
We used kerosene as a cleaning solvent for things like wheel bearings. The major lubricant manufacturers sell Varsol, Stoddard solvent et al as a safety solvent. Same thing as mineral spirits which went from about $3.00 a gallon to $8.50 in just a few years.
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
Been there, done that. Might be hard to imagine, but I remember plenty of days watching people crowd around the K1 pump to fill their cans to bring kerosene home.
Snowstorms are very capable of knocking out electric power, and gas service is not a guarantee in the rural areas. When I lived in upstate NY, we had plenty of kerosene lamps and heaters, just in case. And there were times we had to put them to use.
Electric heating was very frowned upon, both for its proclivity to start fires, and drive the electric bill through the roof.
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
Been there, done that. Might be hard to imagine, but I remember plenty of days watching people crowd around the K1 pump to fill their cans to bring kerosene home.
Snowstorms are very capable of knocking out electric power, and gas service is not a guarantee in the rural areas. When I lived in upstate NY, we had plenty of kerosene lamps and heaters, just in case. And there were times we had to put them to use.
Electric heating was very frowned upon, both for its proclivity to start fires, and drive the electric bill through the roof.
Originally Posted By: Eddie
My dad has a Hornet with the dual carbs but, forgot the name. Was it the Super H? ed
Super H Power. Had a couple back in the day. Fine cars. Perimeter frames and dual braking. If the hydraulic brakes failed, the mechanical system was back-up. Had a lady total her Comet Caliente into the side of one of my Hudsons and I could still open both doors. She got towed away ...
GM Hydromatic trannys with rear secondary pump so they could be push started. Interiors that would put most modern sofa's to shame for plush and comfy. Handled well and went fast (for the time).
They were six-volt, so sometimes a bit slow to start on cold mornings, but they always did
Now, keeping head gaskets in them in the summer with over 100* days, that's another story. But not hard to change. If we'd had access to modern three or four layer gaskets it would have been a no brainer ...
My dad has a Hornet with the dual carbs but, forgot the name. Was it the Super H? ed
Super H Power. Had a couple back in the day. Fine cars. Perimeter frames and dual braking. If the hydraulic brakes failed, the mechanical system was back-up. Had a lady total her Comet Caliente into the side of one of my Hudsons and I could still open both doors. She got towed away ...
GM Hydromatic trannys with rear secondary pump so they could be push started. Interiors that would put most modern sofa's to shame for plush and comfy. Handled well and went fast (for the time).
They were six-volt, so sometimes a bit slow to start on cold mornings, but they always did
Now, keeping head gaskets in them in the summer with over 100* days, that's another story. But not hard to change. If we'd had access to modern three or four layer gaskets it would have been a no brainer ...
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Kerosene same as #1 diesel. Some trucks need it in cold weather. Old 2-stroke Jimmy's love it in cold weather. Pull the truck up to the pump and add to the tanks to get 50% so you can start tomorrow morning ... Won't hurt a thing (as long as it's cold).
The idiots that put gasoline in their diesel to get going soon were walking and that gets expensive ...
The idiots that put gasoline in their diesel to get going soon were walking and that gets expensive ...
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
Been there, done that. Might be hard to imagine, but I remember plenty of days watching people crowd around the K1 pump to fill their cans to bring kerosene home.
Snowstorms are very capable of knocking out electric power, and gas service is not a guarantee in the rural areas. When I lived in upstate NY, we had plenty of kerosene lamps and heaters, just in case. And there were times we had to put them to use.
Electric heating was very frowned upon, both for its proclivity to start fires, and drive the electric bill through the roof.
In Nebraska, all generation is publicly owned so electric power is reasonable and there are many homes with electric heat( and everything else.) The REA co-op system are very reliable, but we have been taken down several times by ice storms which even took down the 345 KV towers in central Nebraska. Some communities were on portable generators for up to six months.The only place I have lived that didn't have many weather related problems was New Mexico.
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
Been there, done that. Might be hard to imagine, but I remember plenty of days watching people crowd around the K1 pump to fill their cans to bring kerosene home.
Snowstorms are very capable of knocking out electric power, and gas service is not a guarantee in the rural areas. When I lived in upstate NY, we had plenty of kerosene lamps and heaters, just in case. And there were times we had to put them to use.
Electric heating was very frowned upon, both for its proclivity to start fires, and drive the electric bill through the roof.
In Nebraska, all generation is publicly owned so electric power is reasonable and there are many homes with electric heat( and everything else.) The REA co-op system are very reliable, but we have been taken down several times by ice storms which even took down the 345 KV towers in central Nebraska. Some communities were on portable generators for up to six months.The only place I have lived that didn't have many weather related problems was New Mexico.
Originally Posted By: beechcraftted
My budddy had a old Cessna 180 that had a factory installed option to add 2 quarts of fuel to the oil prior to shutdown on a cold night. I believe this practice was abandoned in the 60's with advent of 15W-40 and 20W-50 aviation oils. Also I recall a DeHavilland Beaver that insisted on SAE 50. It had a,similar recommendation to dilute the oil below 20 degrees F.
It was not an uncommon practice at all. Many bush pilots in that era would drain their oil overnight and heat it up in a pot then pour it back in the crankcase to get them to start. Straight 10w cans were used in cars up here and then when 10w30 came out, many people STILL use 10w30 dino year round here with no ill effects. 35 year old Subarus driving around with the body just about beat to death but the motor still running fine. Yet, somebody in Virginia or Arkansas sees 25F degrees for a few weeks and NEEDS 0w30 for the winter. Kills me.
My budddy had a old Cessna 180 that had a factory installed option to add 2 quarts of fuel to the oil prior to shutdown on a cold night. I believe this practice was abandoned in the 60's with advent of 15W-40 and 20W-50 aviation oils. Also I recall a DeHavilland Beaver that insisted on SAE 50. It had a,similar recommendation to dilute the oil below 20 degrees F.
It was not an uncommon practice at all. Many bush pilots in that era would drain their oil overnight and heat it up in a pot then pour it back in the crankcase to get them to start. Straight 10w cans were used in cars up here and then when 10w30 came out, many people STILL use 10w30 dino year round here with no ill effects. 35 year old Subarus driving around with the body just about beat to death but the motor still running fine. Yet, somebody in Virginia or Arkansas sees 25F degrees for a few weeks and NEEDS 0w30 for the winter. Kills me.
Oklahoma State University, 1957, Bennett Hall. A fair-haired lad with a (hot) 53 Chevy Blue Flame Six kept egging on a quiet type who had a Hudson Hornet H-Power to a race. One night outside of Stillwater it finally happened. That Hornet went on left that Blue Flame Six in its exhaust smoke. End of bragging.
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
LOL those pumps are definitely not there for people to add a quart to engine oil anymore. Our home has a 400 gallon tank and 2 40,000 BTU heating oil monitors. Dollar per BTU, they absolutely cannot be beat. Maybe older homes in New England have them but plenty of new homes and cabins have them up here. Our place was built in 2003 and having kept our place warm down to -50F.
We have heating oil delivered once a month and it's a mobile tank that gets brought to the property.
I was just at a gas station that had 100 octane racing fuel and kerosene pumps...I was wondering what people used the kerosene for, I would guess space heaters and the like? Couldn't think of any vehicles that would use it...we looked at an older house once that was built with electric heat and had kerosene burners retrofitted for the larger rooms, but I can't imagine driving to a gas station and carrying away enough kerosene to use for home heating.
LOL those pumps are definitely not there for people to add a quart to engine oil anymore. Our home has a 400 gallon tank and 2 40,000 BTU heating oil monitors. Dollar per BTU, they absolutely cannot be beat. Maybe older homes in New England have them but plenty of new homes and cabins have them up here. Our place was built in 2003 and having kept our place warm down to -50F.
We have heating oil delivered once a month and it's a mobile tank that gets brought to the property.
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