How many in pre-retirement make catch-up contributions to 401K

Sam_Julier

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For some income levels maxing out a 401k over the company match is probably not a good idea because their retirement tax bracket will not be lower than the bracket they're currently in. This is where a Roth comes in

Unfortunately it's a shame that there are any contribution to begin with
I agree with your statement. It is actuarily correct.

However, I have yet to hear anyone complain that they had too much money in retirement. 😉
 
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I’m guessing it would make for a boring podcast/video, but I really would like to see this scenario played out, where someone made a “bad choice” in where the parked their money. And then suffered in retirement from undue taxes.

Only thing is, it really needs to have real numbers put on it. I’ve always assume that people with this “problem” make like seven figures a year, or some high level, and thus have written it off.
 
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I agree with Roth….. but they have a very silly low contribution limit.
Roth should have a $25,000 contribution limit in the year 2023.

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IRA (Roth or Traditional) $25K limit
401K, 403B, Thrift Savings $40K limit
Don't get me wrong, I'd likely enjoy the higher limits but at what point does it move from a savings vehicle for retirement, to a tax shelter.

If a 25 year old maxed out at today's limits (not including catch up contributions) on their IRA and 401k and the limits didn't increase over time, with a 8% return/year, they would have $8MM at 65. Don't start savings until 35 and max out every year, 8% return/year, $3.5MM at 65.

I like Roths because of the tax free growth and the lack of RMD, but for me as someone that maxes their accounts, I'd purely be using it for the tax advantage and wealth growth, not as a need for retirement. At some point I can just suck it up and contribute to the brokerage account.
 
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When my kids turned 18 I had opened Vanguard Roth IRAs in their name and funded them for the first year.

Told them…. it’s better to ‘pay the big man‘ today than 42 years from now.
 
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I probably wrote this somewhere before but when all the Roth type stuff came about it was too late for me. The company I was working for did not offer it at first and I was too committed to regular 401K and my income was too high. Plus the businesses kicked me into self employment taxes.

Not complaining - I will just pay my taxes on the withdrawals. My taxable income is controllable and I have municipal bonds held in my taxable accounts.

I get my first social security check Feb 22. Wife is firing up for SS and her income is better than taking the spousal benefits.

But if anyone wants to send me $200,000 for an RV I’m open to that too.
 
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I probably wrote this somewhere before but when all the Roth type stuff came about it was too late for me. The company I was working for did not offer it at first and I was too committed to regular 401K and my income was too high. Plus the businesses kicked me into self employment taxes.

Not complaining - I will just pay my taxes on the withdrawals. My taxable income is controllable and I have municipal bonds held in my taxable accounts.

I get my first social security check Feb 22. Wife is firing up for SS and her income is better than taking the spousal benefits.

But if anyone wants to send me $200,000 for an RV I’m open to that too.
Gonna do like John Madden and take a Bus or RV and travel North America? I'd ride along just for the sight seeing. Going to the Honda factory or a tour to the Crown Royal Distillery would be neat. Like to see the Clydesdale Horses at Budweiser factory and see someone really green like Eureka Springs. Finding a Furrs cafeteria would be okay too.
 
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I agree with Roth….. but they have a very silly low contribution limit.
Roth should have a $25,000 contribution limit in the year 2023.

*** Edit ***
IRA (Roth or Traditional) $25K limit
401K, 403B, Thrift Savings $40K limit

Catch up contribution (50 and older) should be an extra $15K for both IRA and 401K, 403B, Thrift Savings.
 
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