In a 2001 LS1. I am currently using M-1 EP 5W30 for 15,000 miles. Would Scafer's be a better oil. I am also using Auto Rx maintinance dosage, too. Thank you.
HOw does Schafer's stack up vs Mobil 1
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I would go with the Schaeffer's 7000 Blend over the Mobil 1 anyday. The additive package in the Schaeffer product is second to none. The other oil to consider is GC.
The only downside to the Schaeffer would be a shorter 7,500 miles interval. Are you doing oil analysis for your extended drains?
The only downside to the Schaeffer would be a shorter 7,500 miles interval. Are you doing oil analysis for your extended drains?
While I am thinking it is similar, I am not sure about the LS1 engine, but in the LS6 engine Mobil One 5w30 is the oem fill. Also I am not sure if oils for the LS1 should meet the GM4178 M standard as oils for the LS6 should. So if the Schaffers meets that spec GM 4178 M, then I'd say be clear why you are making the switch and then git er done!
I have been running Mobil One 5w30 for app 70,000 miles with 15,000 mile OCI's per DIC. Would you be comfortable running Schaffer's to 15,000?
I did do the old school (break in) OCI at 1600 miles. In hind sight, it was a complete and utter waste of money, time and resources; despite the fact it gave me the warm fuzzy's to do it.
I have been running Mobil One 5w30 for app 70,000 miles with 15,000 mile OCI's per DIC. Would you be comfortable running Schaffer's to 15,000?
I did do the old school (break in) OCI at 1600 miles. In hind sight, it was a complete and utter waste of money, time and resources; despite the fact it gave me the warm fuzzy's to do it.
For a short to medium oil change the Schaeffers might be better than M1. However, if you are going to stretch your oil changes to 15,000 miles I would go with the M1. The Schaeffers is not going to last for 15,000 miles unless you use Lube Control.
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Whoa' fellas...
lets not mix apples with oranges.
Isn't the closest neighbor to Schaefers 7000 syn-blend actually Mobil 7500 syn-blend. I think if you want to compare synthetics, then you have to compare Mobil-1 with Schaefers 9000. Then you need to decide if you are comparing the regular Mobil-1 or the EP.
lets not mix apples with oranges.
Isn't the closest neighbor to Schaefers 7000 syn-blend actually Mobil 7500 syn-blend. I think if you want to compare synthetics, then you have to compare Mobil-1 with Schaefers 9000. Then you need to decide if you are comparing the regular Mobil-1 or the EP.
As they say in sales, "Qualify us"...what do you consider better LS1?
Mind you I have no experience with the specified oils. I'm trying to get you to explain your issues/concerns to the rest here so as to better get you what you're looking for.
Thanks.
Mind you I have no experience with the specified oils. I'm trying to get you to explain your issues/concerns to the rest here so as to better get you what you're looking for.
Thanks.
I'd put Schaeffer's syn blend up against Mobil-1 full synthetic. Mobil-1 technically has the superior base oil advantage, but I think Schaeffer's has the most perfectly balanced additive package out of almost everybody out there. Plus there are some benefits to nonsynthetic base oil in the mix. PAO's don't win out in all categorys.
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How do you stack the Schaefer syn-blend quality to Mobil-1? Where's your evidence it's just as good?
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When I was using Mobil1 in an '87 Mitsubishi Pickup I had at the time I learned from a reputable source that Schaeffers would give me lower wear metals in UOA. \
I switched, and sure enough, on 7500k OCIs the Schaeffers did just that.
Yes, I know that might not be overly indicative of long term engine life, but I drove it just over 201k miles from new and sold it in excellent mechanical condition, using Schaeffers most of the way.
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I switched, and sure enough, on 7500k OCIs the Schaeffers did just that.
Yes, I know that might not be overly indicative of long term engine life, but I drove it just over 201k miles from new and sold it in excellent mechanical condition, using Schaeffers most of the way.
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I switched, and sure enough, on 7500k OCIs the Schaeffers did just that.
How did you arrive at this conclusion krholm? Was it a UOA that you had done? Who did the UOA? Do you believe your UOA at 10-12K would of shown lower numbers with Schaefers?
Isn't "better" sometimes "longer"? Lots of questions here.
I switched, and sure enough, on 7500k OCIs the Schaeffers did just that.
How did you arrive at this conclusion krholm? Was it a UOA that you had done? Who did the UOA? Do you believe your UOA at 10-12K would of shown lower numbers with Schaefers?
Isn't "better" sometimes "longer"? Lots of questions here.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002245
Here you go....
For $2.78 per qt IMO Schaeffer's is the best oil out there for anything up to 10K miles. I've gone 8K mile intervals in my Jeep and had 6 TBN numbers and awesome wear metals for the 2.5L, 4.0L family.
Here you go....
For $2.78 per qt IMO Schaeffer's is the best oil out there for anything up to 10K miles. I've gone 8K mile intervals in my Jeep and had 6 TBN numbers and awesome wear metals for the 2.5L, 4.0L family.
Schaeffers will go around 9k is the limit,or twice a year,,plus the Orban shear test,Bowden-Leben,will make many popular Synt.as mobil look ,say not as good if done correctly,,Lubrication Engineers also make a oil that often compairs at higher milage over others,,though its $$$$,,,always remeber to use a GOOD filter if going the long distance,and of dont forget Amsoil on distance oils........BL
How do you compare any oil? Whats your obsession with M1 outside of advertising what proof do you have?
Have a Schaeffer rep put M1 on the Timken machine and have him let you do the test, and then decide, you will change believe me.
check out the Schaeffer web site.
Have a Schaeffer rep put M1 on the Timken machine and have him let you do the test, and then decide, you will change believe me.
check out the Schaeffer web site.
Looks like Schaefers 10w30 did excellent in the UOA posted from an Audi 2.0T, the defacto oil killer of our time.
Lacking a UOA from the direct compator, M1 10w30, I cannot make an absolute statement, but the trend has been Mobil is a weak product in many apps.
Lacking a UOA from the direct compator, M1 10w30, I cannot make an absolute statement, but the trend has been Mobil is a weak product in many apps.
Several posters are stating what Schaeffers limits are. Based on what? I've personally read a Sch 7000 UOA in the 13k range, and it did fine (iirc, but I can't remember the driving conditions). Also, my local Schaeffers rep (he runs a large Sch. warehouse distribution ctr) - he does 1 yr OCIs at around 14k on 7000 and says it does great.
Also, there are numerous posters I've read who run 7000 at minimum 10k miles, and they are very satisfied with it.
Originally Posted By: willdog
Have a Schaeffer rep put M1 on the Timken machine and have him let you do the test, and then decide
...that the Timken machine isn't necessarily representative of actual loading in an engine.
If you want to run this meaningless test as well, test M1 then Schaeffer then RP then Amsoil. Then test Head & Shoulders, Clorox & Coca-Cola. I'll bet you a forty dollar bill the latter three do far better than the former four.
Gonna fill up your crankcase with a mix of shampoo & bleach now?
Have a Schaeffer rep put M1 on the Timken machine and have him let you do the test, and then decide
...that the Timken machine isn't necessarily representative of actual loading in an engine.
If you want to run this meaningless test as well, test M1 then Schaeffer then RP then Amsoil. Then test Head & Shoulders, Clorox & Coca-Cola. I'll bet you a forty dollar bill the latter three do far better than the former four.
Gonna fill up your crankcase with a mix of shampoo & bleach now?
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Looks like Schaefers 10w30 did excellent in the UOA posted from an Audi 2.0T, the defacto oil killer of our time.
Lacking a UOA from the direct compator, M1 10w30, I cannot make an absolute statement, but the trend has been Mobil is a weak product in many apps.
I thought it was the 1.8T that was the oil killer?
Looks like Schaefers 10w30 did excellent in the UOA posted from an Audi 2.0T, the defacto oil killer of our time.
Lacking a UOA from the direct compator, M1 10w30, I cannot make an absolute statement, but the trend has been Mobil is a weak product in many apps.
I thought it was the 1.8T that was the oil killer?
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