How badly is our legal system failing us?

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Just how badly is our legal system failing us?

Came home for lunch today and saw this story about two guys stealing a car and taking the OPP and Peterborough Police on a chase down the 115. For kicks, I googled the driver's name. I'm appalled to say the least.....

Link from today: http://www.mykawartha.com/news/article/1345998--police-pursuit-sees-two-charged

Results from Google:
1. http://www.mykawartha.com/news/article/1340525--hot-phone-gets-caller-into-further-trouble

2. http://www.mykawartha.com/news/news/article/929849

3. http://www.peterboroughpolice.com/Media_...p;PageMode=View

Same incident: http://www.yourottawaregion.com/print/1057497

4. http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2932472&auth=&archive=true

5. http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1131367

6. http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1388138&archive=true

Obviously rehabilitation and probation are working well for this guy...........
 
Wow, I'd hope that this latest incident is going to get him lots of time to think about changing his ways... Probably an email to the local paper with your post might make it into the letters to the editor section as well.
 
Career criminal. Any police officer or DA will tell you 95% of the crime is committed by 5% of the population. This is why some US states have passed three strikes laws, where on the 3rd convicted offense it's mandatory you go to prison for a set period of time.
 
You cannot judge the law enforcement system by looking at an isolated case of a petty criminal and a punk. There is evidence that the LE fails the society but in the opposite way than what you infer.
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
You cannot judge the law enforcement system by looking at an isolated case of a petty criminal and a punk. There is evidence that the LE fails the society but in the opposite way than what you infer.


You infer, I imply. And I'm not sure that what you've inferred necessarily corresponds with what I feel I may have implied with my post.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Seems like knuckle heads, as long as they don't kill or touch kids really nothing to worry about.


Multiple counts of grand theft auto as well as B&E aren't anything to worry about? If he was breaking into your house, would you perhaps feel differently?
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
You cannot judge the law enforcement system by looking at an isolated case of a petty criminal and a punk. There is evidence that the LE fails the society but in the opposite way than what you infer.


You infer, I imply. And I'm not sure that what you've inferred necessarily corresponds with what I feel I may have implied with my post.


HA! Great point!

It's rehabilitation that simply does not occur in our system. One type of punishment will never fit all types of criminals.
 
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Multiple counts of grand theft auto as well as B&E aren't anything to worry about? If he was breaking into your house, would you perhaps feel differently?


With the castle doctrine in my state, I keep a 12 gauge double barrel with 3"mag 000 buckshot pointed at every door with a string tied to the trigger. I welcome B&E visitors.
 
Recidivism is a major issue and has been for a long time:
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In one of the most comprehensive reports of its kind, the Pew Center on the States found that slightly more than four in 10 offenders return to prison within three years, a collective rate that has remained largely unchanged in years, despite huge increases in prison spending that now costs states $52 billion annually.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-04-12-Prison-recidivism-rates-hold-steady.htm

More here:
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77 percent of felony defendants have at least one prior arrest and 69 percent have multiple prior arrests. 61 percent have at least one conviction and 49 percent have multiple convictions.

35 percent of those charged with felonies have 10 or more prior arrests and another 17 percent have between 5 to 9 arrests, thus 52 percent of charged felons have been arrested and before the courts many times.

40 percent of those charged with burglary and motor vehicle theft have 10 or more arrests. 30 percent of violent offenders have 10 or more prior arrests.

40 percent of all felony convictions serve time in a state prison and 55 percent of those convicted for violent felonies serve time in state prisons. More serve less than six months in county jails.

http://crimeinamerica.net/2010/06/02/repeat-felons-dominate-the-criminal-justice-system%E2%80%94most-convicted-felons-do-not-serve-time-in-prison%E2%80%94part-one/
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Seems like knuckle heads, as long as they don't kill or touch kids really nothing to worry about.


Multiple counts of grand theft auto as well as B&E aren't anything to worry about? If he was breaking into your house, would you perhaps feel differently?


The Canadian legal system (not "justice system" as there is no justice) goes light on crime. Judges are not elected but are appointed by politicians. Most judges are ex-criminal lawyers, so what do you expect? The were "hard line" judges when I was young, but they are all long gone.

Crimes against an employer (like theft) are not hardly even investigated unless you hire a forensic accountant and spend 50K on that. Who says crime doesn't pay???
 
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Seems like knuckle heads, as long as they don't kill or touch kids really nothing to worry about.


Multiple counts of grand theft auto as well as B&E aren't anything to worry about? If he was breaking into your house, would you perhaps feel differently?


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@ LT4 Vette. If they steal your car and go for a spin, you'd feel different.

If they steal a car and then crash into you while running from the cops, you'd feel different.

If they steal a car then crash and kill your loved one while trying to get away from the cops, you'd feel VERY different and your opinion about this will instantly change.

It's because of thinking like yours that these morons are set free and continue to terrorize innocent people.

The judge that sets them free (or only gives them a few days in jail) because he has the same mentality as you, thinking - "oh well they didn't hurt anyone, they were just taking a joy ride in a stolen car". Yea they didn't kill or hurt anyone... YET!
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I agree that the system needs to be MUCH more stricter for repeat offenders, esp if the crime endangers others. If they keep stealing cars at gun point and keep running from the cops, sooner or later someone will die and then i'll be the first one blaming the system for setting the criminal free and allowing this to happen... AGAIN!
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Recidivism is a major issue and has been for a long time


Yeah, it's a revolving door. I am not defending the people who legitimately need to be in jail, but one reason is that with a felony conviction on your record, getting a legitimate job becomes extremely difficult. A lot of times it's easier for them to just go back to crime, especially since prisons tend to act as crime schools and they get used to that setting. I've known five guys who have gone to prison. Two turned their lives around with a lot of work and hardship, the other three pretty much resigned themselves to getting in trouble all the time.
 
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Seems like knuckle heads, as long as they don't kill or touch kids really nothing to worry about.


Multiple counts of grand theft auto as well as B&E aren't anything to worry about? If he was breaking into your house, would you perhaps feel differently?


33.gif
@ LT4 Vette. If they steal your car and go for a spin, you'd feel different.

If they steal a car and then crash into you while running from the cops, you'd feel different.

If they steal a car then crash and kill your loved one while trying to get away from the cops, you'd feel VERY different and your opinion about this will instantly change.

It's because of thinking like yours that these morons are set free and continue to terrorize innocent people.

The judge that sets them free (or only gives them a few days in jail) because he has the same mentality as you, thinking - "oh well they didn't hurt anyone, they were just taking a joy ride in a stolen car". Yea they didn't kill or hurt anyone... YET!
33.gif


I agree that the system needs to be MUCH more stricter for repeat offenders, esp if the crime endangers others. If they keep stealing cars at gun point and keep running from the cops, sooner or later someone will die and then i'll be the first one blaming the system for setting the criminal free and allowing this to happen... AGAIN!


Bingo! This guy is a career criminal, it is quite obvious from his track record that he isn't going to change.
 
I thought a "good lawyer" was defined as the one who charges the lowest percentage for paying off the judge.
 
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