Have you ever wondered whether your vehicle has an interference engine?

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Just check here:

http://www.audiworld.com/tech/pix/timingbelt.pdf

Im one of the lucky ones with a non-interference toyota. I'm going to let my timing belt go on...and on...and on...until it breaks then change it.
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My Jeep's got a non-interference engine with a timing chain that usually lasts 300,000 miles ore more...
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I have a '96 Ford Contour with the 2.0L Zetec motor. I emailed Ford and asked them what their recommendation is for changing the timing belt. They wrote back and said it's a "lifetime item". Here we go again, whose lifetime? Also asked whether it's an interference motor and they said
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, ask the dealer. Dealer says ask Ford
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. The "general concensous" is 60,000 miles with a water pump replacement at the same time to play it safe. Unfortunately it's about a $700+ job at the dealer with the water pump. But I guess it would be a lot more expensive if it broke and then you found out it is an interference motor
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Whimsey
 
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Originally posted by DEWFPO:
Chains get play in them over time. When you change a belt, you remove the play and the engine stays in peak valve timing.

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Very good point. As belts or chains stretch, it will continually retard your cam timing ever so slightly, but probably not enough to even feel.
 
Just because it has a chain doesnt mean it will be ok forever.

Rewind 5 years ago. Bought a 1994 Toyota 4wd p-up with bullet proof 22re. Truck had 59k miles on it. Few months later, 66,621 miles, going down interstate at 75mph when motor quit and dash lit up. Made it to emergency lane. Tried to restart and motor was spinning like it wasnt turning anything...because it wasnt. Took to repair shop and got the call a day or so later..."Broken timing chain".

I said "A chain cant break...especially with only 66k miles?"

He said come and look. Sure enough...not a guide broke...but a link in the chain broke, allowing the chain to come off. BTW: The 22re IS an interference motor. $1200 later with a vavle and head job I was on the road.
 
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My Volvo 4 cylinder Turbo is a non interference

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Same here....My `93 240(B230F) also has Volvo's 100k timing belt, although I don't let it go that long before replacement.

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If your belt breaks just after you passed a semi on a two lane road things can get exciting real fast!

I read an article a while ago that said that most timing belt failures occured at idle or low RPMs. The article claimed that timing belts are under more stress at idle speeds. Maybe someone here could possibly verify/explain this? I have driven 2 different vehicles when the timing belt broke and both times I was sitting still at traffic signals. But,I'm sure there have been many instances when TBs give way on the highway at high RPMs.
 
After too many years of making engines that destroy themselves, Nissan and others are going to chains, they may look like bicycle chains but it beats rubber/fabric belts.
 
It's probably a cost issue. Belts are likely cheaper and don't have to be lubricated. A belt would be quieter as well. Besides, with a belt they get to hit you up for service every 60k miles and make big $ if you let it go and it breaks (assuming an interference design).

Matt
 
Chains may break, but I feel so much safer with that there instead of a rubber/fabric belt that can degrade from anything that comes in contact with it.
 
The Gates listing in the first post on this thread is not entirely accurate. (BITOG friends overseas, my comments are about US-spec cars, though I'm sure you knew this.) The 1.3 L four used in the Ford Festiva and its replacement, the Aspire, is not indicated as an interference engine, but believe me, it is. My '88 Festiva had dire warnings in the owner's manual about major engine damage if the timing belt was not changed at 60,000 miles, and I know of at least two other Festivas that suffered engine damage when the belt broke.

Also, most Mazdas and Toyotas on the list are not indicated as interference engines. My understanding is that most if not all of these engines, especially the fours, are interference. Mazda designed the Festiva/Aspire engine, by the way, which should be a clue. Note that the Hondas and Nissans generally have interference engines; why would Toyota and Mazda be greatly different?

In addition, Ford does not have a 60,000-mile recommendation for timing belt changes for the 1997 and up Escort 2.0-liter "CVH" SOHC. There is no mileage given. A dealer chart issued later gives 120,000 miles for this service for the SOHC. The SOHC is correctly indicated as not interference. The belt in my parents' 1996 Escort with the closely related 1.9 L CVH broke at 108,000 miles with no internal engine damage. The 2.0 DOHC Zetec is a close cousin: the block is slightly taller than the CVH, but the bore centers, bore, and stroke are all the same, and the oil filter is in the same location on the block. So my guess is that the Zetec is not interference, but this is only a guess.

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Now on to what is probably a touchy topic. Let the flame wars begin! If the feds are going to meddle in car design, why couldn't they meddle to benefit car owners by mandating noninterference engines, etc.? On the Focus with the 2.0 Zetec, at least one gearhead magazine has reported that the timing belt cover is jammed against an engine mount or some such and will probably be cracked or broken upon removal to get to the belt. In other words, when a shop replaces the timing belt, figure on replacing the cover too. Why is this allowable? My Festiva had a 3-hour labor time for the belt change, which involved taking the engine off a mount, etc. Why should a regular maintenance procedure take so long and require so much hassle? Shouldn't the feds mandate a little more in these areas to benefit owners and those who maintain their own cars? Please understand: I'm not necessarily advocating government involvement here, but I'm throwing the thought out to get reactions.
 
You've got to remove an engine mount on my car as well to slip the belt off. Some engines basically have to be interference to get a high enough compresion ratio with the design of the cylinder head and such and certain engines that need higher valve lift warrent this problem as well. With most DOHC 4 bangers, the cylinder head is essentially flat with a slight curve in the valves, so the combustion chamber is formed mostly from a dish in the pistons and the slight amount of volume in the cylinder head. Many high performance engines with this design still have valve reliefs cut into the pistons, but the high lift of the cam and doming of the pistons for compression means interference.

Also, I think your right about the Gates list. Most Toyotas are interference engines, like mine, and they don't list them as such
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If you saw the design of the cylinder head in my engine, it's obvious it's an interference engine because there is barely any dish in the pistons and the head is practically flat across the combustion chamber in the head, with little to no cc in the head itself.
 
At least the SOHC Toyota fours with a belt are non-interference. It is a pain that an engine mount has to be removed to change the belt.
 
All the Neon engines, from 95 to present, are interference designs. Factory recommended timing belt replacement is at 105,000 miles. And yes, the T-belt drives the water pump in these engines too.
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My T-belt was replaced when the head gasket was replaced at ~75,000 miles- that way, there was no additional labor cost for it, just the price of the belt. I'll have to replace it in ~22,000 miles or so, & will do it myself this time. And I'll replace the water pump as well! If the WP should lock up...
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I just consider it maintenace on my interference Civic. For $300 every 90k miles I get a new t-belt/water pump, all new belts and valve clearance inspection/adjustment.

Thankfully the new 4 cylinder Accords use a timing chain.....
 
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