GM will recall 22,000 2005-07 Corvettes

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: PT1
Originally Posted By: SWSportsman
What ever happended to assembling car bodys with nuts and bolts?


Good question. The Vette roof deal is really stupid. The roofs DO NOT fly off the cars if the simpleton who owns the car in the first place reads the owners manual and secures it correctly like in the book. There should be a RTFM recall of all the stupid owners who can't secure the roof on a Vette until the locks click in place and then go drive 120mph with it unlocked. SHEESH. Then if you pound on the roof with it in the unlocked position and bend the lock mechanism it has to be repaired because YOU pounded on it.

This has been going on for at least three years and incompetent GM hasn't managed to fix it properly yet.

The entire roof doesn't come off, the glued on roof skin delaminates and flies off the roof frame. It has nothing to do with the latches.

It was a well documented problem at least a year before GM acknowledged it. My roof skin has been replaced twice, in both cases I took the roof off, put the roof in the trunk and took it in to the dealer before it blew completely delminated. Some people have had the roof skin delaminate from the roof frame and blow off at least 3 times because the maroons at GM don't know how to fix it properly.

 

[BeanCounter]

Originally Posted By: XS650
the maroons at GM don't know how to fix it properly.


GM may not be very smart, but please, let's avoid harsh color spectrum name-calling here. That's hurtful.

 

[DeeAgeaux]

Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: XS650
the maroons at GM don't know how to fix it properly.


GM may not be very smart, but please, let's avoid harsh color spectrum name-calling here. That's hurtful.



Said community at GM prefers the term fuchsia.

The National Association for the Advancement of Fuchsia People will write a very strongly worded letter if you use the term "maroons".

 

[DeeAgeaux]

Originally Posted By: Ed_T
Originally Posted By: DeeAgeaux
Originally Posted By: crinkles
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Well, this is encouraging. GM owned up to it's mistake, (Very quickly, too) is not denying the problem. Instead, they are making it known, and taking full responsibility. Instead of hiding it and denying it (Cough toyota cough) Well done, GM.


gimme a break dude.


Nope, give me sludged engines and unintended acceleration.

Plus a good dose of denial,denial,denial.

Then add secrecy and destruction of data.

Let a San Diego police officer and his family die after knowing about the problem for 10 years.

After a few dozen other Americans died.

And a few more dozen in Japan.

And who knows how many around the world.


All the mfr's are guilty. Remember when GM had wheels flying off some of their full-sized? Instead of recalling, legal advised it was cheaper to pay the death claims, and that's what they did.

Slam any particular mfr. you want to. But they're all in it together.

And slam Toyota especially if you want, but they have and still do manufacture some of the most reliable and least problematic vehicles extant.



I will slam companies that are most recently guilty of said practice and getting worse.

I will lay off of companies that used to be horrible but are demonstrating they are getting much better.

Toyota quality/dependability has been getting worse the last ten years.

With published reports they will slash parts budgets 30% they promise to get much worse in the future.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: XS650
the maroons at GM don't know how to fix it properly.


GM may not be very smart, but please, let's avoid harsh color spectrum name-calling here. That's hurtful.



LOL, I was using the one of the other meanings of maroon

Quote:
maroon:

A term of derision often uttered by Bugs Bunny when referring to an interaction with a dopey adversary.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: crinkles
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Well, this is encouraging. GM owned up to it's mistake, (Very quickly, too) is not denying the problem. Instead, they are making it known, and taking full responsibility. Instead of hiding it and denying it (Cough toyota cough) Well done, GM.


gimme a break dude.


Yeah, don't all of you domestic lovers know that the Nippon god-like cars are completely and totally infallible ??

 

[ShiningArcanine]

Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Well, this is encouraging. GM owned up to it's mistake, (Very quickly, too) is not denying the problem. Instead, they are making it known, and taking full responsibility. Instead of hiding it and denying it (Cough toyota cough) Well done, GM.


Do you honestly believe that these are all of the skeletons that GM has in its closet? What about the pollution at GM's sites here in New York on which they have completely side-stepped responsibility? Why did 108 repaired roofs come off and not a thing happened until some guy in the Japanese government complained? Why are they paying the 108 people who had to do deal with this nonsense now instead of when their "repaired" roofs fell off their cars? How many more issues have been filed away for years in some filing cabinet at GM's corporate head quarters before coming to light? How many more skeletons are still in GM's filing cabinets waiting for the light of day?

Honestly, with Toyota, at least you can enumerate the problems people have been having. With GM, good luck with that.

 

[Ed_T]

I can't understand why the 'domestic' cheerleaders are so defensive about their chosen rides. Slamming and belittling others choices seems desperate and last-gasp.

Kinda like the 'domestics'...

 

[ls1mike]

Gee Ed, I don't see any of the import guys on here doing that.

I think you may have even done it in your last post.

You might want to re-read some of the post on this forum from the "Import" fan boys.

 

[BeanCounter]

Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: XS650
the maroons at GM don't know how to fix it properly.


GM may not be very smart, but please, let's avoid harsh color spectrum name-calling here. That's hurtful.



LOL, I was using the one of the other meanings of maroon

Quote:
maroon:

A term of derision often uttered by Bugs Bunny when referring to an interaction with a dopey adversary.


My bad, I didn't have my Looney Tunes thinking-cap on.
I apologize for the color comments.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: Ed_T

I can't understand why the 'domestic' cheerleaders are so defensive about their chosen rides. Slamming and belittling others choices seems desperate and last-gasp.

Kinda like the 'domestics'...



You haven't been around here long enough to see that this board is really a foreign lovers paradise. These boys get up in arms too.

 

[wapacz]

hmm interesting. To my understanding the xlr uses a bonded roof panel like the corvette. So I wonder what the difference in the assembly process is between the two which would cause the xlr not to have this problem also.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Ed_T

I can't understand why the 'domestic' cheerleaders are so defensive about their chosen rides. Slamming and belittling others choices seems desperate and last-gasp.

Kinda like the 'domestics'...



You haven't been around here long enough to see that this board is really a foreign lovers paradise. These boys get up in arms too.



Yes, heaven forbid we refuse to support Japan's economy/Japanese parent companies (where and when we still have a choice!!). Why, that would be a sin against God and nature (country, nor it's actual citizens does not matter anymore, or so it seems, just economic 'principles').
I mean OUR economy/trade deficit is just doing soooo gloriously how can we not fall all over ourselves to throw our money at Kyoto/Toyoda City/etc.??
There is absolutely NO ONE starving or unemployed in this land, right??

 

[dailydriver]

BTW; My brother NEVER,EVER had this problem with his '06 C6.
In fact, it has been just as reliable as one of all of your "infallible" TOYotas! (not to mention 10x as quick/better handling, and 10,000x more FUN!!!!)

 

[RacerE7773]

Now all they need to do is recall alotodf the other junk they'd put out there.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: wapacz
hmm interesting. To my understanding the xlr uses a bonded roof panel like the corvette. So I wonder what the difference in the assembly process is between the two which would cause the xlr not to have this problem also.


The XLR is a hardtop convertible versus the Corvette's manually removed top. I don't know if the XLR uses the same roof materials or processes as the Corvette but when I get back to work I'm gonna call some friends at Bowling Green and ask. Actually - my new plant manager here in Texas is the old plant manager from Bowling Green. He had replaced Will Cooksey (great guy BTW) before coming to Tx. He'll know the full scoop.

 

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Ed_T

I can't understand why the 'domestic' cheerleaders are so defensive about their chosen rides. Slamming and belittling others choices seems desperate and last-gasp.

Kinda like the 'domestics'...



You haven't been around here long enough to see that this board is really a foreign lovers paradise. These boys get up in arms too.



Yes, heaven forbid we refuse to support Japan's economy/Japanese parent companies (where and when we still have a choice!!). Why, that would be a sin against God and nature (country, nor it's actual citizens does not matter anymore, or so it seems, just economic 'principles').
I mean OUR economy/trade deficit is just doing soooo gloriously how can we not fall all over ourselves to throw our money at Kyoto/Toyoda City/etc.??
There is absolutely NO ONE starving or unemployed in this land, right??

Now people are refusing to buy GM and Chrysler because of their tax revenue going to those builders.
No Japanese car maker has done that to the American taxpayer.
That is why they are gaining popularity.

That, and people who got a bad American car in the past will buy good Japanese cars, because they don't want to give another cent to a company that treated them wrong. Once they get a bad Japanese car, things might change. That or they will buy a European or Korean car.

My stupid Saturn has given me so much more trouble than my relative's Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas.

I will buy a non-GM car as revenge someday.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: wapacz
hmm interesting. To my understanding the xlr uses a bonded roof panel like the corvette. So I wonder what the difference in the assembly process is between the two which would cause the xlr not to have this problem also.


The XLR is a hardtop convertible versus the Corvette's manually removed top. I don't know if the XLR uses the same roof materials or processes as the Corvette but when I get back to work I'm gonna call some friends at Bowling Green and ask. Actually - my new plant manager here in Texas is the old plant manager from Bowling Green. He had replaced Will Cooksey (great guy BTW) before coming to Tx. He'll know the full scoop.


Don't know about the XLR, but the Z06 also has a non-removable top, they also delaminate and the top skin blows off. Not as often as the regular Corvette tops though because they use a different top skin material and the glue sticks to it better.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
Now people are refusing to buy GM and Chrysler because of their tax revenue going to those builders.
No Japanese car maker has done that to the American taxpayer.
That is why they are gaining popularity.


Really? Seems like my tax dollars paid for cash for clunkers and the inport companies made out good on that deal.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Now people are refusing to buy GM and Chrysler because of their tax revenue going to those builders.
No Japanese car maker has done that to the American taxpayer.
That is why they are gaining popularity.


Really? Seems like my tax dollars paid for cash for clunkers and the inport companies made out good on that deal.




Plus Nissan got some money. Never hear about that one, though.