thanks for the info Patman, that clears things up. I'll keep my eye out for it. I think our store shelves move slower than shops in your area, we just got Supersyn a short while ago in our Walmarts. Very little 5w-20 oils available too, they just started stocking Penzoils stuff recently. Castrol 5w-20 has been out in the states for a little while, but can't find that up here yet.