![[I dont know]](/forums/graemlins/dunno.gif)
Bob W.
quote:Do you mean the ACEA3 specs? Castrol USA claims USA 0w-30 meets this, so that is why I was wondering. Thanx
Originally posted by Patman: Since we're 99% sure the new gold GC is SLX Longtec, it's not going to be made up of group 3, otherwise they couldn't call it full synthetic in Europe. Besides, with the specs that GC must meet, group 3 wouldn't be good enough.
![[Cheers!]](/forums/graemlins/cheers.gif)
Bob W.quote:Most likely in Europe there is no a very strict regulation in this matter too and oil manufacturers have certain flexibility in their interpretations. Last years the most of them describe gr.III oils as a Synthetic Technology, but others still use Full Synthetic. Good example is Shell that calls its Helix Ultra 5W-40 as Fully Synthetic oil.
Originally posted by Patman: Since we're 99% sure the new gold GC is SLX Longtec, it's not going to be made up of group 3, otherwise they couldn't call it full synthetic in Europe.
quote:I was thinking about doing a VOA on USA 0w-30, and see what the numbers show as compared to the Gold GC that is in the VOA database, if anyone wants me to. Bob W.
Originally posted by buster: I don't see why the new stuff couldn't be Group III or a blend.
quote:I'm pretty sure it is already there, just look around some more...
Originally posted by TheFuror:quote:I was thinking about doing a VOA on USA 0w-30, and see what the numbers show as compared to the Gold GC that is in the VOA database, if anyone wants me to. Bob W.
Originally posted by buster: I don't see why the new stuff couldn't be Group III or a blend.
quote:Would that depend on which country it was being sold in? I thought some, like maybe Germany, were fairly strict on it.
Originally posted by Primus:quote:Most likely in Europe there is no a very strict regulation in this matter too and oil manufacturers have certain flexibility in their interpretations. Last years the most of them describe gr.III oils as a Synthetic Technology, but others still use Full Synthetic. Good example is Shell that calls its Helix Ultra 5W-40 as Fully Synthetic oil.
Originally posted by Patman: Since we're 99% sure the new gold GC is SLX Longtec, it's not going to be made up of group 3, otherwise they couldn't call it full synthetic in Europe.
quote:SOMEONE at Castrol Said that. Someone who is paid to talk on the phone. The container itself says otherwise. Belive the container.After all , its in writing!
Originally posted by TheFuror:quote:Do you mean the ACEA3 specs? Castrol USA claims USA 0w-30 meets this, so that is why I was wondering. Thanx
Originally posted by Patman: Since we're 99% sure the new gold GC is SLX Longtec, it's not going to be made up of group 3, otherwise they couldn't call it full synthetic in Europe. Besides, with the specs that GC must meet, group 3 wouldn't be good enough.
![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon}
quote:The only ones I found are for GC, not the USA 0w-30. Bob W.
Originally posted by reyjay1:quote:I'm pretty sure it is already there, just look around some more...
Originally posted by TheFuror:quote:I was thinking about doing a VOA on USA 0w-30, and see what the numbers show as compared to the Gold GC that is in the VOA database, if anyone wants me to. Bob W.
Originally posted by buster: I don't see why the new stuff couldn't be Group III or a blend.
quote:Not necessarily true. If the Group III used was XHVI or some other wax isomerate, that plus 20% to 30% PAO could easily meet those specs, IMO.
Originally posted by Patman: Besides, with the specs that GC must meet, group 3 wouldn't be good enough.
quote:I wouldn't think so. Castrol Formula R 5w30 is Group 3, and yet meets A3,B3,B4, LL-98, VW 502 and MB229.3 http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_australia/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/f/FormulaRSynthetic5W_30_B1806_05.pdf
Originally posted by Patman: Besides, with the specs that GC must meet, group 3 wouldn't be good enough.
quote:Well, here is why I am now really confused: USA 0w-30 claims to "exceed...BMW LL-01" yet the MSDS says for all grades of Syntec (including 0w-30) it is "synthetic hydrocarbon" with "multi functional additive mixture...". So now, I am totally confused.....
Originally posted by yannis: If an oil covers the BMW LL 01 approval , it is group IV or V.
![[SPAZ!]](/forums/graemlins/spaz.gif)
Bob W.
quote:European Union members have the same standards.
Originally posted by reyjay1:quote:Would that depend on which country it was being sold in? I thought some, like maybe Germany, were fairly strict on it.
Originally posted by Primus:quote:Most likely in Europe there is no a very strict regulation in this matter too and oil manufacturers have certain flexibility in their interpretations. Last years the most of them describe gr.III oils as a Synthetic Technology, but others still use Full Synthetic. Good example is Shell that calls its Helix Ultra 5W-40 as Fully Synthetic oil.
Originally posted by Patman: Since we're 99% sure the new gold GC is SLX Longtec, it's not going to be made up of group 3, otherwise they couldn't call it full synthetic in Europe.
quote:That's what I thought too until recently. Check out this Castrol UK site: http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=82915276&contentId=6008719 They call the RS 10w-60 a full synthetic and yet it is just group 3 oil these days (Fuchs in the UK did a chemical analysis to confirm it). Castrol's German website also calls it "vollsyntetishe": http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=82916346&contentId=6004594 Castrol likes to play their "synthetic" games not only in the US these days...
Originally posted by Patman: it's not going to be made up of group 3, otherwise they couldn't call it full synthetic in Europe.
![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon}
At least with Amsoil, Redline and Mobil 1 you know what your getting. These other clowns just play games.quote:I don't think there is any way a 10w60 oil can be built using nothing but Group III base oil. If this oil is built using Group III, it has SOME Group III in it, but I'm sure it also has PAO and esters in it too. I'm pretty sure in Europe and Germany if the base oil blend is comprised of MOSTLY PAO and/or synthetic esters, then the oil can be labeled "Full Synthetic" even if there is some Group III in it.
Originally posted by Quattro Pete: They call the RS 10w-60 a full synthetic and yet it is just group 3 oil these days (Fuchs in the UK did a chemical analysis to confirm it).
