Future of Surveillance

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Larry Ellision is coming up with some interesting surveillance ideas. Many of these have been expressed in movies and our imaginations but he has the billions to make them happen.

I like the idea of drones replacing police in high speed chases. Multiple stationary drones over a city constantly recording can sure help catch criminals when you can just rewind the footage. Basically Google earth in real time. Robo cop drones on the highway following you with tickets for minor infractions and speeding 3mph over? I hope not, some tolerance should be built into the system.

Our inevitable future is a mesh of cameras and drones wired into a super AI.

Key points from the article (AI generated of course):
- Mass surveillance: Ellison describes a world where AI constantly monitors citizens, similar to George Orwell's dystopian novel 1984.
- Automated oversight: AI systems would analyze footage from various cameras to detect and report crimes.
- Police supervision: Ellison believes AI could supervise police officers, ensuring accountability and reporting any misconduct.
- Drone surveillance: He predicts AI-controlled drones would replace police vehicles in high-speed pursuits.
- Hardware demands: Ellison acknowledges the need for powerful hardware, like GPUs, to support AI-driven surveillance.
- Privacy concerns: The article raises significant questions about privacy, civil liberties, and the potential for abuse with such extensive surveillance.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ays-larry-ellison/?comments=1&comments-page=1
 
Fear is a powerful motivator. I know the UK and China get a lot of press over the heavy CCTV presence but the US with all the traffic cameras (reading license plates) and other forms of surveillance on city streets, and federal power via Patriot Act is not that far behind.

Snowden for all his flaws did peel back a layer of the onion showing what was capable 15 yrs ago.
 
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JohnnyG said:
London England is well on it's way.
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When I visited my buddy a few years back, they had cameras/lights every so many miles on the major highways. I asked him about those and he said it's for clocking speed for vehicles. If it's 25 miles away, it should take you X time driving the max speed. If you get there faster, then you were obviously speeding, and therefore get a ticket. It floored my jaw at just how nanny state they are.
 
I<3oil said:
When I visited my buddy a few years back, they had cameras/lights every so many miles on the major highways. I asked him about those and he said it's for clocking speed for vehicles. If it's 25 miles away, it should take you X time driving the max speed. If you get there faster, then you were obviously speeding, and therefore get a ticket. It floored my jaw at just how nanny state they are.
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I think the New York State Thruway works like that. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
 
Visited Nashville a few years ago. On the main party street the police had drones flying at about 50' above the crowds. I thought that was a good way to keep an eye on things in a very specific circumstance.
 
alarmguy said:
I think the New York State Thruway works like that. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Wouldn't surprise me if it started catching on here. It's not a super horribadawful idea honestly. When we went down to the Final Four in San Antonio a few years ago, we took my wife's Camry at the time. We were doing 95 and getting passed on I-35 down there. There were 4x4 dually trucks doing 100+. Like *** bruv
 
I<3oil said:
Wouldn't surprise me if it started catching on here. It's not a super horribadawful idea honestly. When we went down to the Final Four in San Antonio a few years ago, we took my wife's Camry at the time. We were doing 95 and getting passed on I-35 down there. There were 4x4 dually trucks doing 100+. Like *** bruv
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Yes! I experienced that when we were looking at homes in Florida. I was doing one day trips from South Carolina. On I95 the speed limit is 70 but if your going 80 cars will be right on your bumper. 85 to 87 I think more the norm. Only one time did I have to contain myself and not go over 97 to keep up with a gang of 4 cars.
 
Owen Lucas said:
Larry Ellision is coming up with some interesting surveillance ideas. Many of these have been expressed in movies and our imaginations but he has the billions to make them happen.

I like the idea of drones replacing police in high speed chases. Multiple stationary drones over a city constantly recording can sure help catch criminals when you can just rewind the footage. Basically Google earth in real time. Robo cop drones on the highway following you with tickets for minor infractions and speeding 3mph over? I hope not, some tolerance should be built into the system.

Our inevitable future is a mesh of cameras and drones wired into a super AI.

Key points from the article (AI generated of course):
- Mass surveillance: Ellison describes a world where AI constantly monitors citizens, similar to George Orwell's dystopian novel 1984.
- Automated oversight: AI systems would analyze footage from various cameras to detect and report crimes.
- Police supervision: Ellison believes AI could supervise police officers, ensuring accountability and reporting any misconduct.
- Drone surveillance: He predicts AI-controlled drones would replace police vehicles in high-speed pursuits.
- Hardware demands: Ellison acknowledges the need for powerful hardware, like GPUs, to support AI-driven surveillance.
- Privacy concerns: The article raises significant questions about privacy, civil liberties, and the potential for abuse with such extensive surveillance.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ays-larry-ellison/?comments=1&comments-page=1
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Yes, its going to get relatively cheap to do this, and we should get our governments moving along on how they are going to regulate and monitor this field.
I think its more likely we are going to see private security/intelligence firms fully exploit linking AI and cheap surveillance equipment for big wealthy companies, to further their interests.
 
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IndyIan said:
Yes, its going to get pretty cheap to do this, and we should get our governments moving along on how they are going to regulate and monitor this field.
I think its more likely we are going to see private security/intelligence firms fully exploit linking AI and cheap surveillance equipment for big wealthy companies, to further their interests.
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Heck, chances are whenever you walk in a large department store they already know who you are by facial recognition. Target was caught with their pants down on this.
Also the new passports use this.
 
IndyIan said:
Yes, its going to get pretty cheap to do this, and we should get our governments moving along on how they are going to regulate and monitor this field.
I think its more likely we are going to see private security/intelligence firms fully exploit linking AI and cheap surveillance equipment for big wealthy companies, to further their interests.
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I agree. With all of the photos that have been scraped from social media and data that has been compromised or can be obtained by geolocation built into phone apps, building an individual profile and tracking someone will only become easier. It's only a matter of time that drivers license / passport photos are hacked (or leaked) for stronger private surveillance.

There are probably many other data points that I am not aware of, but once this is combined with AI, connecting all of the dots will be easier than ever. This type of computing isn't as intensive as folding proteins or running a consumer grade LLM so it will be cheap to do as well.

tcp71 said:
This was tried at the NHL Flames store in the Saddledome here in Calgary. AFAIK they had to revert to checkout tills because it didn't work very well. Seems to have been eclipsed by smart cars at the "Fresh" stores as well.
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It turns out these walk out stores were secretly monitored by 1000's of virtual cashiers in India lol:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...e-checkout-which-needed-1000-video-reviewers/

"Amazon had more than 1,000 people in India working on Just Walk Out as of mid-2022 whose jobs included manually reviewing transactions and labeling images from videos to train Just Walk Out’s machine learning model."


I have a feeling that these full face shades will become very popular in the future:

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Makes sense to do this.

I think the claims with these devices, besides encryption, was that GPS was manually disabled and some form of network anonymity. Unknown to the user, everything was being sent to a server in Quantico :ROFLMAO:. I believe a similar operation just happened in Europe.

These devices were basically a smart fishing operation that avoided having to request 1000's of broad search warrants. All of these features are baked into our phones, it's just getting the data for prosecution or investigation is a more complicated process legally. But with all the data leaks and private facial recognition of the future, the police will just go to private companies for tracking suspects which will bypass the 4th amendment.

This service is already available from Clearview AI.

https://www.clearview.ai/principles#
 
I<3oil said:
it's for clocking speed for vehicles. If it's 25 miles away, it should take you X time driving the max speed. If you get there faster, then you were obviously speeding, and therefore get a ticket. It floored my jaw at just how nanny state they are.
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Same as using an airplane to time vehicles.
Then the pilot calls up ahead and the driver gets pulled over.
It was New York .... between Buffalo and Rochester.
 
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