Not to hijack the tangelo thread, thought I'd show some of the other fruits of my personal forest. Firstly Tomatoes. Saw a doco on an old Italian Organic gardner who was growing many tomatoes out of season. Knocked up a very dodgy frame (5' high), and tried some tomatoes with air and sun access to the fruit, and others grown as a normal "bush". Bush is full of snails, and little fruit. Tall man has some fruit, no snails. Nobody is getting red Tomatoes in the district this year, too wet, not hot. Old 4WD tyres with one sidewall cut out are useful for mini plots to move around the place from year to year. Have grown kipffler potatoes, garlic, carrots, beans, leeks, and shallotts (when cooking with them, we have to buy a bunch. The unused part gets planted in an old tyre, where they take root and keep growing, ready for the next dish). Strawberries are good, as the children can get to them easily. They demolished the partly grown carrots picking and eating them. Pumpkins, squash and silverbeet, growing in some rubbish soil mixed with grass clipping, in the old coal skip. The leafy weeds seem to keep the snails at bay (or busy)..will fill in the coal skip with topsoil , cow dung and lawn clippings before next year. My Back fence has three Kiwi Fruit vines, a male with a female either side...sort of free range Kiwi fruit. In the bay that the male sits is a thornless blackberry, and a blueberry (only a season old). Under the left hand female is a self sown cherry tomato. No fruit yet, but they come on late in that spot. Up close, here's a cluster in about a cubic foot of Kiwi vine. Estimate nearly 200 fruit on my side of the fence. Neighbours and people who walk down the lane are entitled to all that grow over the fence. Nearly touches the ground on the other side. Just wish that they'd stop picking them until they were ripe. As to Oranges and Lemons, and my original pic. This year's experiment is that I tried growing inoculated white clover beneath the two trees (inoculated with the nitrogen fixing bacteria). The Clover gets about a foot high, and I chop it down for mulch. I've checked and there are nitrogen nodules. You might just see the terracotta flower pot. It's sealed at the bottom, and constantly filled with water, which leaches through the pot into the root area of the trees. Trying to keep water up to them without wasting. Gets epsom salts every now and then. Better half was walking back from the shops today, and noticed blackberries growing in between a hedge and a rotten fence. 1 lbs of Blackberries in the fridge right now...can't imagine school children walking past ripe blackberries...no, I can't imagine them walking past a Mars Bar tree. If I liked fennel, there's a plot growing next to the bowling club at the end of the street that has popped up since they cut back on mowing early last year. Two dozen loaded apple trees between me and work.