FRAM TG 7317 CUT OPEN

[David1]

This Fram Filter has 5000 miles on it, with Pennzoil High Milage 5W30 also a lil MMO.

here pics. FRAM TOUGH GAURD =]=

I have to say I was rather impressed with the Pleats and the fiber end discs were intact and strong and didnt fall apart or anything. I counted 49 Pleats Also a NICE Silicone ADBV
However you will see a pic of the bypass and Im pressing on it and it dont open all that much, however it must be enough.

ALSO, I put some oil in the leaf spring / bypass device while it was upside down and NO OIL Seeped out... So anyone who says them leak oil i truly do not think so. I set the oil there and sit it down for over a hour and no a drop was under the paper... Also you can see on the side of the fiber end disc that holds the bypass and leaf spring you can see a indintion from the leaf spring pressing hard against it forming a seal..

Hope you enjoy post

also if any FRAM people can tell me

DO the FRAM TOUGH GAURDS have the same End cap fiber or materials are the ExtraGaurd?


Thanks

This pic below didnt come out well but you can see the end caps are in perfect shape, you can even see the lil tabs that stick out.

Here is CAN so you can see Model number

here is leak spring / bypass device FRAM uses

here is bypass and far as I could push it with my finger

Have to say Im impressed with the TOUGH GAURD FILTER

 

[charbaby]

I have used the TG on my wifes Lexus RX in the oversized part #3600(3614 is the spec#). When I cut it open, it too looked very good just like the pic above.

 

[demarpaint]

Looks good to me, end caps intact, no torn pleats. I use them from time to time and will continue to do so.

 

[Camprunner]

Nothing wrong with that filter I have cut several open and all look like that not one problem I continue to use them.

 

[gregk24]

Yep, these are great filters for sure.

 

[David1]

I have never cut open a TOUGH GAURD.. Only HONDA A02 any many other oil filters that is suppose to be similar but Im talking TOUGH GAURD here.

However about this filter I was surprised how the Dirt was in the filter and if you look the oil looked clean but the filter is DIRTY.

and that is not SYN oil or SEMI SYN.

Most times I use SYN or SEMI SYN like now I have Maxx Life FULLY SUN

however that oil was Pennzoil High Mileage 5W30 and Pennzoil's High Mileage oil is not SYN Blend like most other HIGH MILAGE OILS.

Again Does anyone know if the EXTRA GAURD uses the same end disc material as the TOUGH GAURD?

b/c if so there is nothing wrong with fiber end discs...... They do there job.

I dunno if its proven steel ones are better... I just know from cutting open filters with fiber end discs on my cars the fiber end discs HOLD.

Personally I think when you see a FRAM oil Filter all messed up its possible its been in the car far longer then it was suppose to be.

Look at PUREONE and PUROLATOR... They are colapsing nad tearing and they have steal end caps.

I guess its a never ending debate about FRAM and End caps.

but at least I know Tough Guard holds.

 

[AKhan87]

Originally Posted By: David1
I have never cut open a TOUGH GAURD.. Only HONDA A02 any many other oil filters that is suppose to be similar but Im talking TOUGH GAURD here.

However about this filter I was surprised how the Dirt was in the filter and if you look the oil looked clean but the filter is DIRTY.

and that is not SYN oil or SEMI SYN.

Most times I use SYN or SEMI SYN like now I have Maxx Life FULLY SUN

however that oil was Pennzoil High Mileage 5W30 and Pennzoil's High Mileage oil is not SYN Blend like most other HIGH MILAGE OILS.

Again Does anyone know if the EXTRA GAURD uses the same end disc material as the TOUGH GAURD?

b/c if so there is nothing wrong with fiber end discs...... They do there job.

I dunno if its proven steel ones are better... I just know from cutting open filters with fiber end discs on my cars the fiber end discs HOLD.

Personally I think when you see a FRAM oil Filter all messed up its possible its been in the car far longer then it was suppose to be.

Look at PUREONE and PUROLATOR... They are colapsing nad tearing and they have steal end caps.

I guess its a never ending debate about FRAM and End caps.

but at least I know Tough Guard holds.


because it has a 99% efficiency and is part cellulose and synthetic fibers.

Awesome Filter.

 

[KCJeep]

I really like Tough Guards as well. I have cut both and I can't tell any difference between the endcaps on the TG from the orange can but all of them I've cut have looked good anyway so hardly an issue.

The similar to the TG Honda OEM filter apparently uses thicker fiber endcaps, but if you follow Honda's manual the filter possibly could be on for as long as 20k, which may be why the endcaps on those are thicker. Efficiency on the Honda filter is much, much lower though.

The Tough Guard is a great filter and my top choice if I want to run a longer OCI.

Thanks for cutting and posting!

 

[HTSS_TR]

Again Does anyone know if the EXTRA GAURD uses the same end disc material as the TOUGH GAURD?

The differences between Fram TG and EG are: end caps are slightly thinner on EG and EG has fewer pleats, also TG has synthetic fibers mixed with cellulose to achieve 99% efficiency while EG efficiency is only 97% because it either has none or very little synthetic fiber.

Fram TG is a good mid-range filter, as of now I rather buy TG than P1.

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Again Does anyone know if the EXTRA GAURD uses the same end disc material as the TOUGH GAURD?

The differences between Fram TG and EG are: end caps are slightly thinner on EG and EG has fewer pleats, also TG has synthetic fibers mixed with cellulose to achieve 99% efficiency while EG efficiency is only 97% because it either has none or very little synthetic fiber.

Fram TG is a good mid-range filter, as of now I rather buy TG than P1.


Oh yea P1 and Purolator is going through a bad spell. I dunno if its Quality Control or if they got some bad materials that are used to make their filters, but PURE1 and Purolator and even BOESH D+ that is made by Purolator are having problems.

The only purolator made filter that is holding up is the hybird MOTORCRAFT OIL FILTER.

However this is about FRAM

Tough Gaurd really suprised me.. I expected to see crushed end disc and the filter pleats all wavey and perhaps torn or a big hole and as you saw.. it was perfect and was DIRTY..

The dirt was caught in the filter.


However I still want to know if EXTRA GUARD Uses the same END DISC Material and TOUGH GUARD.

I feel thats a good question and it should be answered.

Also some people say Extra gaurd has less pleats... well if you have a better quailty filter element then you need less pleats then a filter loaded with pleats thats just plain ole paper or the cheapest material the use.

I think Extra Gaurd uses synthetic fibers in the filter elememet...

However I want to know about the END DISC with the Extra Gaurd... if its the same end disc material and TG

I would think it is....

bc that would be to many end disc for the company to have laying around.... 1 end type for EG and 1 end disc type for TG...

Seems like it would complicate things at the plant that makes them.. However that is just what I think.

However would like conclusive info to know if its the same END DISC on EG and TOUGH GAURD.

Also I tell you what, Im not going to hunt around for A01s anymore.... I have a A01 in my car now and a extra but its so much more easy just to get a TOUGH GAURD or go to dealer and get a A02 or even the bigger filter 004

Im so glad I cut that filter OPEN.

and even the bypass you can clearly see it was pressed firmly aginst the end disc

Like NAPA SILVER that uses the bypass at the top.. its steal then its sits on top of a steel end disc.. I can see that leaking.

However MOTOR CRAFT and some bypass that are at the top are built in or in 1.

I bet I could of put more then 5K miles on that filter... I bet I could of went the 7000 miles or does i say 10000 miles on the box?

however I think it would do 7000 miles no problem by looking at the one I cut open.

also I might take one more pic and show how if you pour oil on the leaf spring bypass FRAM uses and turn it over you can see no oil leaks or seeps outs......

Im rethinking FRAM.

again I think the PICS you see online of them CRUSHED were used beyond their OCI

My Dad always says a OIL FILTER is a OIL FILTER.... use FRAM... says he been useing them for years.

My Gramps swears by FRAM.... However in his garage he has to to GROUP 7

Im going to ask him to mail me a GROUP 7 for my car and cut 1 open.... just for sh*ts and giggles

 

[KCJeep]

Again, I have cut multiple TG's and EG's and I can not tell any difference in the endcaps.

You are right the EG uses a strong media that is about 20% synthetic (find that on any other entry level filter) which is why according to the Fram rep here they don't have to use as much media in it as a straight paper cellulose filter would need.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Again Does anyone know if the EXTRA GAURD uses the same end disc material as the TOUGH GAURD?

The differences between Fram TG and EG are: end caps are slightly thinner on EG and EG has fewer pleats, also TG has synthetic fibers mixed with cellulose to achieve 99% efficiency while EG efficiency is only 97% because it either has none or very little synthetic fiber.

Fram TG is a good mid-range filter, as of now I rather buy TG than P1.


TG also has a silicone ADBV, whereas the EG goes not. TG seem to have more pleats, and therefore more media surface area than the EG for the same filter part numbers.

Have you confirmed the TG end caps are a bit thicker than the end caps on the EG? I've wondered if that's true or not, but have not seen anyone make a good comparison or measurement.

I would bet the fiber end cap material is exactly the same between the EG and TG. Motorking would be the guy who would know for sure.

 

[Camprunner]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Again Does anyone know if the EXTRA GAURD uses the same end disc material as the TOUGH GAURD?

The differences between Fram TG and EG are: end caps are slightly thinner on EG and EG has fewer pleats, also TG has synthetic fibers mixed with cellulose to achieve 99% efficiency while EG efficiency is only 97% because it either has none or very little synthetic fiber.

Fram TG is a good mid-range filter, as of now I rather buy TG than P1.


TG also has a silicone ADBV, whereas the EG goes not. TG seem to have more pleats, and therefore more media
surface area than the EG for the same filter part numbers.

Have you confirmed the TG end caps are a bit thicker than the end caps on the EG? I've wondered if that's true or not, but have not seen anyone make a good comparison or measurement.

I would bet the fiber end cap material is exactly the same between the EG and TG. Motorking would be the guy who would know for sure.


We need someone to cut both open and get out the calipers and take some measurements.

 

[KCJeep]

Are my posts in this thread blocked or something?

I still have a pair of 3600's in the garage I cut before, a TG and an EG, I can look again but visually I couldn't discern any difference in the endcaps. And both looked just fine.

 

[Scott_mi]

I've been seeing the questions about the end cap thickness too often so I just sent motorking a message about the specific matter. In reading one of his previous posts, I believe them to be completely the same everything (material/thickness. As in they produce one fiber end cap and use it in the EG, HM, and TG.

Originally Posted By: Motorking

Hello and welcome to the forum, I am the tech director for FRAM
The EG filter and HM filter are the same filter media (80% cellulose/20% synthetic glass) with 95.7 % efficiency@ 20 microns. Nitrile rubber ADBV's, same can thickness, engineered fiber end caps, leaf springs, Nylon 66 bypass valves. The only difference is the additive basket in the HM filter.

The TG filter is essentially the same with the following variations-
Silicone ADBV
Better paint/primer to combat rust and corrosion in the longer OCI
Media is generally 70% cellulose/30% synthetic with a higher synthetic composition in the smaller sizes for more capacity.
99% efficiency@20 microns. Same engineered fiber end caps, same nylon 66 bypass valve.

The Ultra is completely different. The media cartridge is a pleated stainless steel screen with two layers of full synthetic filter media. It is the only synthetic filter in the market with two layers of media. Flanged steel end caps to capture the pleated screen. It also has a leaf spring, silicone ADBV, Nylon 66 bypass along with improved paint/primer on the can so it can resist corrosion on the car for 15k OCI's. All FRAM filters have the wrinkled Sure Grips for easy installation/removal.

 

[steve20]

possibly the filter is dirty because of the crud the MMO may have cleaned out?

 

[Motorking]

Originally Posted By: David1
This Fram Filter has 5000 miles on it, with Pennzoil High Milage 5W30 also a lil MMO.

here pics. FRAM TOUGH GAURD =]=

I have to say I was rather impressed with the Pleats and the fiber end discs were intact and strong and didnt fall apart or anything. I counted 49 Pleats Also a NICE Silicone ADBV
However you will see a pic of the bypass and Im pressing on it and it dont open all that much, however it must be enough.

ALSO, I put some oil in the leaf spring / bypass device while it was upside down and NO OIL Seeped out... So anyone who says them leak oil i truly do not think so. I set the oil there and sit it down for over a hour and no a drop was under the paper... Also you can see on the side of the fiber end disc that holds the bypass and leaf spring you can see a indintion from the leaf spring pressing hard against it forming a seal..

Hope you enjoy post

also if any FRAM people can tell me

DO the FRAM TOUGH GAURDS have the same End cap fiber or materials are the ExtraGaurd?


Thanks

This pic below didnt come out well but you can see the end caps are in perfect shape, you can even see the lil tabs that stick out.

Here is CAN so you can see Model number

here is leak spring / bypass device FRAM uses

here is bypass and far as I could push it with my finger

Have to say Im impressed with the TOUGH GAURD FILTER

Hi,
i work for FRAM. The end caps on the TG filter are slightly more robust to withstand the 10,000 mile OCI vs the 5000 mile OCI on the Extra Guard. Thanks for posting these pictures and thanks for using FRAM