Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I don't use them. Not a knock against the XG (despite having some fun with the way Fram advertises it), but the cost difference for me between the XG and the M1 EP is so small that I just go with the Mobil. As the Mobil is more expensive, its up to others if its worth the extra cost over the XG.
Contrary to what the OP posted, the M1 EP is not "a paper filter." The cost of both are a little higher for me, though I don't feel "stupid" when I buy it. Its expensive, yes, but I think you get what you for.
-Spyder
$4 - $5 is alot considering the price of oil filters, that is like buying a car for 13,000 dollars when you could buy an equally good car made with better materials for 9,000 dollars, obviously you fall for the "if something is more expensive it must be better" deal.
Since when is a $4-$5 price difference the same as a $4,000 price difference?
First mistake in reasoning (google "strawman").
Secondly, show the post that proves they are "equally good." That's not only not proven, but in your OP you based this on information that has been shown to be false: the M1 filter is not a "paper filter."
Third, how do you "obviously" know what I base my buying decisions on? First off, I don't even know you, so if I were to discuss my purchase decisions with anyone, you wouldn't make the list.
Lastly, how do you know that the difference in price where I am is $4-$5? If you look under my user name, I clearly don't live in the same place you do, therefore I don't shop at the same stores either. Do you just assume the difference is $4-$5 everywhere? Apparently you do, and you're wrong on that count too.
Edit: one final point. Lets assume you're right about everything else (and we'll ignore for the moment the many ways I've demonstrated this not to be the case), and we'll go with the higher of your numbers and say the price difference for me is $5. Money is certainly a quantifiable subject when you're talking about it in absolute terms (for instance, my annual salary); what you're talking about, on the other hand, is not money, but value, and lacking perfect information (which, lacking information such as my annual salary, you don't even have the starting point to begin to make this assumption from), it cannot be quantified; only qualified. And then to properly qualify it, you need to know my disposable income, my own personal value choices and what is behind them, the actual difference in cost for me, and what that difference rationalizes out to in a monthly, weekly, or daily basis. You know none of this information.
The only thing you know is that the extra cost isn't worth it to you. For the reasons given above, I'm not going to argue that with you. But you are very presumptuous to, lacking a single piece of the information needed to make a value judgment for me, state whether or not the price difference is worth it for me.
-Spyder